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    Posted: January 03 2006 at 11:55pm

I wanted to try and make sure that no one has to go through what I have been through.

 

Quick background, I have had a 90gal acrylic, reef set-up and running for about 8-10 months, I had just upgraded my lights to Metal Halides and HVO’s, had Eric make me a new refugium, and was just starting to get a handle on my algae. I went out of town for three days. On the second day I received a call from my parents that were watching my house, checking on my dogs, and checking on my tank.

 

The call was to let me know that I had a fire; it resulted in a 100% loss of all the contents of my house, and most of the interior structure. And of course the tank melted, my floor looked like a beach from all the live sand, and live rock…my smoke detectors melted into something that looked like they belonged in a cave, the light switches looked like a drips of wax. The only positive thing is that no people were hurt.

 

The fire was caused by the build up on the electrical contacts on a surge protector where my lights were plugged in. When the lights turned on by timer for the day, there was an arc/spark that caused the fire.

 

The surge protector, ballast, refugium, and most everything was in the stand. I feel that I contributed to the build-up by packing so much in the base of the stand. The other warning the fire inspector gave me was to be very careful in the future and to not overload the circuit, because he had seen a number of other fires caused by other aquariums.

 

So my warning/request is to have everyone take 15 minutes and look at their set-ups, make sure you aren’t overloading the circuits, and that you have as much of your wet things as far away from your electrical as possible. As well as look behind all of our TV’s and stereo equipment at the rats nest of power cords and make sure you aren’t overloading that area either.

 

The question I get asked most is “so are you going to have another tank when your house is re-built”?

And like most of us the only answer is “YES”, but during the rebuild, I have the contractor opening an access down through the floor, so that I can relocate all of the refugium/skimmer, pumps and everything wet downstairs, below the tank, and I am having the electrician run two circuits to aquarium  area.

 

Its been three months since the fire, and I am hoping to be back in my house by this April, then as usual with us reefers I am going to go bigger, maybe a 110 or 275 gallon tank……

 

Thanks for taking the time to read this, and please learn by my loss, spend 15 minutes and check everything out!!!!!

 

 

 

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Really quick - you said it was a "build up" on the contacts on your surge protector. A build up of corrosion by the humid environment? Or just an overloaded circuit?

This stuff scares me. Sorry to hear your loss - but glad everything turned out ok.



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In my systems, powerstrips are either outside the stand or firmly attached to the stand up near the top inside. Inline ballasts are always positioned outside, either hanging on the stand or laying on a block on the floor

Where was this one located?

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Shane, they said it was a build up of salt, I took that to be kind of like the  salt spray you get from the humid area, like you get if you live near the beach.

Mark, I shoud have had them either up on the underside of the stand or on the back, I had a couple on the back wall of the stand, but on the inside. This one was laying at the bottom for the stand.(inside) Live and learn! Sounds like your placement would have helped avoid the problem.. I am going to go look at a number of peoples set ups before I set up my next tank.

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That sucks. I had a powerstrip that was on the bottem of my stand arc out while we were sleeping. It tripped the circuit and I had a sudden awakening when I turned it back on and it arced again. On all of my tanks I have made sure that any power strips are out of the way.

When you get to the point of preparing your new tank, You might consider building a power box like this one. It has timers built into it.

Good luck. Its a crappy thing to go through.

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Wow.... Thanks for giving us a heads up....
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Oh, this is the most terrible thing I've ever read on our board. I am so
sorry. Is there anything we can do?

I have been thinking about adding more outlets to my fish room, and
putting them on the other side of the room! Really, I was thinking about
putting them on the ceiling...

So, the firefighters think it was from salt creep on the power supply ?
Where the plugs hook into the outlet? Geez, I don't think I'm going to
sleep well tonight.

A gfci wouldn't have helped, right? it wasn't a power issue...it was a spark
and ignition thing? So, if there is just a spark at the power outlet, there
needs to be something there to catch on fire?
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Suzy, Thanks for the offer, when I get back in the house, I am going to get a lot of advice on the best ways to set everything back up. And talk someone out of some starter sand and water, to jump start everything.

Salt creep is a great way to describe it. They think it was where the external pump plugged into the surge protector. I am sure a GFI would have helped!

They say it didn’t so much spark and flame up immediately but more smoldered for about 8 hours, in my mind I imagine it looked like the embers in a campfire after the flames have died down and all you have left is the red hot embers giving off heat.

All of the damage in the house was from smoke and or the heat, it just melted everything, you can see the results of the heat in the pict of the TV, its all very sad, but the pictures are amazing to me, it’s incredible what the heat can do.

Thanks for your thoughts

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Oh, man. I'm sorry for your loss and hope to learn from it. Thanks for sharing your bad experience with us.


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Sorry for your lost. My tank crashed 2 years ago when I was in New York for New year countdown. I would not put my exposed circuit, such as recepticles of surge protector in wet area. Bubbles in sump would splash and create wet area around sump or refiguim.

Originally posted by H200 H200 wrote:

 I am sure a GFI would have helped!

 

I just bought a old house last year. Although there are some GFI in house, a building inspector told me half of them are not connected to ground plate. That means GFI would not function to break circuit during short circuit. Have an electricain to test them. Pushing white/red buttons of GFI wouldn't discover this problem.

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I know I had mine on my floor and the overflow had bubbled and spit
water up into it and as soon as the lights turned on it almost cause a fire.
maybe water got in the surge protecter and when the lights came on it
could have caused the spark. I mounted all my surges on the wall and
made sure all the wires had a drip loop.



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So, I was actuallly waiting 'till this payday to redo my electrical set up in
my fish room. Is it all about distance? If I put a few outlets in the ceiling,
where there is no way there can be any "splashing", is that safer?

If I have to use an extension cord/surge protector to get close enough to
the lights themselves, would it be better to have a outlet for each light? or
is a strip OK?

How many plugs is too many for a strip outlet? I have ones that have 6
outlets. is that too many to be safe?

I understand I can overload the circuit, so I am gettting a new power box.
But, is there any thing else i should be considering?

I figure I'm going to be paying a few hundred bucks for this upgrade. Is
there anything I shoukld look out for?

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Suzy I wouldn't think you would need to go all the way to the ceiling to stop water contact or salt creep from getting to the plug.  You could put them up on the wall so the power cords have an upward angle, and far enough to the side so that if a tank were to burst or spill over the water really would have no way of getting to the plug.  Using a GFCI outlet will also help in the safty process.

If you add a new circuit breaker box, and build a box like Dions so you have one appliance per plug you should have no problems with overloading your system.  The most conservative option is no more then 1 appliance per plug.

And if you need to use an extention cord and power strip they make heavy duty outdoor products that have water proof connections.  I can't remember what they call them, but I know there out there.  We hade some for our trip to Nicaragua, and I think they were purchased at home depot.

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Sorry for your loss!

I built my basement fish room with several high GFCI protected plugs above the refugium so that everything plugs in above the tank with a drip loop.  The plugs are controlled by switches as well.  Just a thought if you're putting the sump in the basement.  I love having the sump in the basement, by the way.  I have a great  fish room downstairs with ventilation and a sink. 

All my ballasts sit above or mount to the side of my stand- it leaves the stand less cluttered.   I also have back-up drains in the main tank to prevent most major flooding issues, just short of an actual tank seam or glass failure.

I have access to put in another circuit breaker and line up to the main tank- maybe this is my excuse to do it.

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Thanks, guys! Tomorrow is payday so i'm going to get me an electrician!
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Holdencraft 33

I think I am going to build a box like yours for sure, do you have any plans you used to build yours that you could email me?

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I dont but I could draw some up. Ive got access to a shop bot (cnc router) And Im going to cut out some front panels for these boxes. When there done Ill let you know.
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So, is it safer for each plug to have an outlet? Are strip dodads really bad?
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I had a power strip go bad on me.  Luckily I was in the office at the time and could smell the ozone from the sparks.  Had to reach in and flip the switch right next to the sparks.  Learned a lot from that, mostly to keep power strips far enough away from the water.  A water proof power strip would have helped a lot also, and I will certainly look at getting one for the new tank.  Unfortunately, I have to have everything inside my stand because it is in my waiting room where I have to keep little hands from playing with things.

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Dion,

If you do end up making some more of those front panels, I would be happy to pay you for one.

Let me know

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