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    Posted: January 18 2005 at 7:53pm
after all this talk about kalkwasser reactors i would like to try out using kalk instead of my normal b-ionic doseing and turbo calcium/reef builder for tweaking.  i don't have any pH drop problems, and now that i'm running a reverse daylight refugium (thanks to the recommendations of people here) my ph swing is .1 or less.

unfortunately i don't have the ability to set up an auto-top off due to space limitations which is what most people are using to dose their kalk slowly it seems.  right now i am adding topoff RO every two days and have to add about 1-2 gallons.  twice a week i have to add the B-ionic to keep things good as far as ca/alk are concerned.

i read a post by mark somewhere saying it was safe to add up to 5% of the total aquarium volume kalk solution over the course of a few hours without causing a major pH swing.  while i'm sure kalk will provide enough ca/alk i'm worried about the ph spike it might cause if added too quickly.

what do people do for adding kalk if they don't have auto top off / drip systems?  i was thinking about making a 1/2 strength kalk solution (50/50 kalk r/o) and using that for top off which gets added every two days 1-2 gallons as i said.  you guys think that will spike the pH too rapidly over the course of 15 minutes of so to add it?  i don't know if i can bare to wait any longer pouring in top off which i usually just dump in all at once.

any thoughts would be greatly appreciated
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I'd be a little surprised if you couldn't find a place to set a gallon milk jug with a pinhole punched in it to let the Kalk drip out or a valved/pinched airline tube syphoning it down to the tank from a jug on a shelf or on top of the hood.

The kalk could be full strength, meaning to put a lot of CaOH3 in a container. Stir it, let it sit for a day and syphon off the clear liquid into the milk jugs until the solid is almost gone or there are lots of black particles in it.

That 5% figure is a rough figure and would depend on the maturity of the aquarium. A gallon of Kalk delivered this way to any 40+ gal tank should be no problem at all, IMO. The remainder of topoff if needed, could be RO dumped straight in as usual.

There's my 2 cents
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hey mark, thanks for the reply...  i guess i never really thought of just a milk jug with a pinhole in it.  setting up a whole system/glug jug would be a pain because it really is quite tight under my tank.  30gal main, 20 tall underneath taking up 75% of the room and a stupid small door in the front that i actually had to shave just to get the 20 underneath!

mixing in a 5 gallon -> transfering to milk jugs -> just pricking it sounds like a great idea if i can make a little mount to let it drip down into the sump without getting all over the place.  i worry a bit because everyone says its so caustic, i don't want to be splashing it around too much underthere!

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5% seems a bit high to me.  First off, I don't think many tanks even evaporate that much water.  That's 5 gallons per 100 gallons, that's a lot.  But I know if my tank did evaporate that much it could probalby handle that much kalk as long as I spread it out over the whole day.  But my tank (actually my house) has a CO2 issue that others don't.
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Sorry Rod. I didn't answer your question. I kinda thought you were joking.
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Jon,  what do you think of this idea?  My auto top off adds maybe a half a gallon (probbably less) at a time to 300g of water.  It is pumped from a 32g rubbermaid trash can of ro water.  Evaporation is about 4-5 gallons a day.  Could I add kalk mixed to saturation by this method without problems or would that be too fast? Any other concerns?

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5% seems a bit high to me, also. I drip an IV bag (1 liter) into my
200 gallons and it bumps the pH.

I have mine in a 3 gallon jug that has a spout on the side. The
undissolved solids fall to the bottom, and the kalk saturated
water stays in the middle, where I can just use the spout to pull
it off. Then, I put it in a bag above the tank, adjust the roller
clamp and voila! the pH is a little bit higher!

I might just get a milk jug, though! That sounds too easy! But, I
don't have one! Would a DP bottle work? I might have one of
those laying around, rinsed, sitting on a shelve!
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Kevin,  I think you're likely ok doing that.  On my 20 gallon tank I had a similar set-up where I was using a small powerhead in a bucket of kalkwasser set to an auto top-off in my sump.  I didn't have any problems, but I did pinch the discharge of the powerhead quite a bit so that it just barely pumped to lessen the pH spike in the sump.
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Kevin - I agree with Jon. In a system of that size, I think adding 1/2 gallon of kalkwasser would not be a problem. Especially if you added it to highly turbulent area.

I used a the milk jug method on my 55 gallon aquarium for several years. But, it does get tiresome filling a milk jug every night.
You will need to poke two holes in the jug - one near the bottom for the solution to escape and one near the top for air to enter. You can control the drip rate by the size of the air hole. This allows for a slightly larger hole that is less likely to clog from the solution.
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Thanks Jon and Shane for you opinions.  I think I'll give it a try.

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