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    Posted: May 04 2008 at 6:02pm
I know I know, another question that I should know and I probably do but I had to ask.  Well algea and bryopsis go away or at least subside a bit if I do even more water changes?  I have had this problem with bryopsis for a while so I didnt do a water change for quite some time to see if that would help.  I maybe did one a month, but I normaly do a water change about every two weeks. 
I was wondering if I do water changes like 10 gallons out of my 75 gallon system if this will starve the algea out.  I have tried everything else.  Please say this will help.  Dustin

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Water changes have had no affect on our bryopsis.  The only thing that we have found that helps is tuxedo urchins.  We have 2 that do eat it but not entirely.  If you find something that helps PLEASE let us know.
 
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i got rid of my bryopsis before it started. I puttied over it. thats about all i know.. i also have a sailfin that likes it!!!!

 

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Originally posted by dustponds10 dustponds10 wrote:

  Please say this will help.  Dustin
 
Now thats pressure. I don't think it would make that big of a difference. Are you using macro in your sump. Phoseban in the system. skimming? (I Apologize if you have covered this in other posts and I missed it)
 
My opinion would be........yell and run around the room for a hour..............actually I run a massive amount of phosban and charcoal in the tanks that I feed a lot. I also run a big skimmer in order to remove as much nutrients as possible.
 
Tons of water changes will remove the nutrients as well but in large enough amounts it will stress out your system. All of the bacteria removed (live water) may throw the system out out of balance.
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Mark Peterson had a great thread on algae control.

Algae needs a couple things to survive, and if we can limit one of these, we can effectively control it. We can also control it with ravenous herbivores. Control through nutrient limitation can be through phosphate removers, heavy protein skimming, and competition algae such as chaetomorpha. Hand removal is something you could consider, but good luck. I wasn't able to control it by hand removal.

I have heard Anthony Calfo tell people to increase their PH to above 8.4, which he claims tends to really affect bryopsis.

Personally, I let the bryopsis go in my old tank, and added a rabbitfish- the rabbitfish was happy to eat it vigorously, but he also ate my zoanthids and mushrooms, among other things. I had a long-spine urchin that was moderately effective at control as well.
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I think mark advocates water changes only add nutrients to your tank and the algae grows better. I.M.O. raising the mag. has had a slowing effect on my briopsis, but hasn't "wiped it out" . As my wife mentioned the tuxedo Urchin munches it but does not concentrate solely on it. 
  Raising the P.H. is a new idea but will prob. will have adverse reactions to the corals if not done correctly.
  This has been a test placed before me, And I will continue to combat the stuff until I get the upper hand on it.
   And then i will tear the 90 down and re do itLOL
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Well I guess I was getting my hopes up on something I already knew the answer to.  BUMMER, Well to answer some of your questions, I run an ASM G-1 skimmer, I have a huge ball of cheato that I trim back and I also just added some other macro just the other day, I got a hold of some lettuce nudibranches and well they eat it but I am affraid that there would need to be about 100 of them to do any damage.  I have tried a sailfin tang, didnt touch it, then I tried a powder blue(he ate really well for a few weeks and then wouldnt eat anything, I tried soaking things in garlic and to no avail) He didnt eat it, I have red mexican hermits that are suppose to help, not that much any ways.  I do pick out a hand full of the dang stuff about every 2 days or so.  I have had this problem for around5 months and I really wish I could find the cure, I think I would help a ton of reefers and it would be a catistrophic event for the hobby.
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I've hears as jeff mentioned raising the MAG is supposed to help a ton with bryopsis, reduce nutrients, manually remove as much as possible
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Bryopsis is one of the most successful nusiance algae. Few fish will touch it and most snails, the best form of algae control, don't eat it.
But I believe we can help. It will take time and require you to answers a lot of questions and then follow our instructions to the letter. Are you up to the challange? If so, the first thing we need is a full view pic of the tank and a close-up pic of the algae. Okay?
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sure I will take some pics right now.  Thanks Ill have them up here in a few mins. 
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here you are Mark so you tell me.  Some might think this is hair alge and my camera isnt the best of cameras so I cant get a really good close up of it, but if you look close you will be able to see the structures in a few of the pics, I am pretty sure it is bryopsis.
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bryopsis with a very mad frag I got a while ago and a luttuce nudi
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orange/red cap that is actually pleading its case with the dang stuff
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full tank shot you can see that the bryopsis is mostly growing in the lower part of the tank if you look close enough.  and there is alot of it.  So Mark, now what?
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Dion thanks how did you do that?  Still anxiously waiting on Mark to chime in.  ^^^
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Originally posted by dustponds10 dustponds10 wrote:

Dion thanks how did you do that?  Still anxiously waiting on Mark to chime in.  ^^^




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I am following this thread as well Dustin.  I am still having problems with bryopsis in my tank.  My Lettuce Nudis look different than yours and haven't done much.  I may try the higher ph thing as I am starting to dose kalk with a kalk reactor.  What is the best way to dose Mg and what are the side effects of that.  This pest is a nasty one.  I have an aiptasia outbreak as well.  I am going to get some berghia to take care of them.  I am in the process of upgrading my skimmer.  I have chaeto, just added mangroves and run chemipure and purigen.  I have tried the berghias, a lawnmower blenny, a dozen different hermits and snails along with emeralds.  Your bryopsis appears different than mine.  Mine looks a lot like a small fern.  I just pruned it back but may be able to find one to take a picture of or an old pic.
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Those are not lettuce leafs, The thread on reef central is quite long, but the  Idea is to use kent tec-m. Or use the home made recipie of dow flake . I'll wait for mark to chime inWink
 
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Sorry, I forgot to bring my laptop to work. I can't see the pics on my work computer. Tomorrow....
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It looks like my lettuce nudibranch.
 
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I know that there are a few different kinds, they come from different oceans.  One I believe has pink in it and is more pretty then the one I got, and the one I have came from a different place.  I bought these straight from a whole saler with the help of an aquarium maintanence guy here that I found. 
 
Dave in the last picture you can see the dang stuff that looks a little more like a fern but longer.  Alot of it is my dang camera I cannot get really good pics. 
I also have raised my mag using the two part solution from twopartsolution.com  It didnt seem to work at the time but it may have slowed things down a bit.  My next step will be to try the Kent tech-m.  You can buy it at marinedepot.com for around 20 bucks 30 shipped.
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