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    Posted: September 14 2008 at 3:30pm
So I am planning out my 210 gallon Aquarium and I am trying to get some feedback on whether or not I can swing this. I was thinking it would be really cool to have a lagoon type place in the tank with lots of Macro Algae and a feeder tube coming up right in the middle of the macro so I can spot feed the seahorses all sorts of goodies (live and frozen). I am looking for your feedback as to whether I will be able to pull this off (I know the initial reaction will be "no way" but maybe your brilliant ideas will help us come up with a way to make it work.

Reasons I think this can be done:
  • pipefish are common in reef tanks that are properly set up.
  • Seahorses are better at eating prepared foods than they have been in the past.
  • I want Macro algae in my display (no tangs to gobble it all up) means lots of "natural" habitat for them in my display.
  • the feeder tube will help get the food they need to the right place without calling attention from the other tank mates.
Obstacles that may be problematic
  • Water current: I want some SPS so certain parts of my tank will be very high current for a seahorse
  • feeding: I know how smart fish are when it comes to food.
Also, is there a certain type/species that would be better suited for this environment than others. Lets discuss it and determine if this is worth dreaming about or if I am just off my rocker.
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Suzy and Amie are probably one of the best sources of info,you can find them at.
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they do visit this board but they are not always given a warm welcome.
I am way interested in your question I have wondered the same thing. I have never heard of a feeder tube though. How would you set up a feeder tube?


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The feeder tube would basically be airline tubing that would go down to the bottom of the tank through the overflow, under the sand to the desired location, then up into the macro. the feed end could just be loose at the top of the tank. I would use a big syringe to inject the food to its destination.

Thanks for the heads up on Suzy and Amie. I know Suzy pretty well and was hoping she would chime in.

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Seahorses do not put up with high flow at all. They will not chase the food and prefer to have it float lazily past. Ive had seahorses in tanks as big as a 75 but it was set up as a low flow softies tank. Something sps's will not survive in. There is also a study going on about metal halide bulbs causing the dreaded gas bubble disease in the horses. Just my 2cents.

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Yeah, I definitely wouldn't be able to keep SPS and seahorses in the same vicinity...It is probably too much to ask for them to stay in the designated "low flow" section of the tank isn't it? Thanks for the feedback. I have never heard about the gas bubble disease being caused by halides, but I will look into it...I hated helping our little dwarfs expel the gas build up.

Has anyone with seahorses in a large tank seen a tendency to stick close to a food source? or do they cruize all over the place regardless of food sources?
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Blown away would be more like it. The flow necessary for sps can't be contained. If the flow is slow the horses will hitch to any sps that is in there and will damage them. Ive had them in a 12, 24, 29, 65, and a 75. They cruise every where hunting for food. Hi flow will catch them in overflows, against rocks and cause them to expel huge amounts of energy fighting the current. More energy expelled means more food needed to replace that energy.
 
The amount of food feed twice a day is tons, and in a higher flow environment it will be harder for the horses to catch the food. Which will increase the amount of food needed to get the horses enough nutrition for normal life and the increased food needed for survival in a high flow environment.  A large tank with horses would be extremely cool but trying to keep them in a mixed reef environment with the flow requirements needed for sps would be very taxing on the little guys and result in sure death. 
 
Horses come from grassy environments with slow lineral flow. Very little to no turbulence. And plenty of food at all times. I loved mine for the years that we kept them. We stopped housing them due to our expansion of breeding Bangaii's. Couple of things that were cons on the larger tanks that we had were cyna bacteria out breaks (due to low flow) and massive amounts of bristle worms. Once we hooked up the 75 into my 400g system then those issues went away with the increase water volume and a huge skimmer.


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Yeah, I think you are right. DO pipefish do that much better with the high flow? I have seen several sps tanks with pipefish. They have a lot less surface area, so I would assume they do better. Maybe that would be a good middle ground.

Thanks for the input. as cool as it would be,  I don't want to throw any animal into an environment where its safety/survival would be compromised. 
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Ive had pipe fish in many different tanks. If they will eat they will hunt behind rocks and in corners were the flow is less. They like to glide in the higher flow areas. Cool stuff.
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why not set up two tanks that share the same water, (gravity flow) that way you could have both.
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check out this web site - look at "Marte's Reef" and the "Seahorse" Videos

 
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Originally posted by bannshy bannshy wrote:

check out this web site - look at "Marte's Reef" and the "Seahorse" Videos

 
 
Thats an awesome tank!!!! Very nice.
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I like Brian's idea a lot for a tank for sea horses or frog fish or other inhabitants that require a specialized environment.
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Thanks for that video link...I just may have to turn my 24 gallon nano into a seahorse/mangrove tank. 
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That is my plan. do you think a clown with an anenome in the tank with the seahorses would work or would the seahorses get eaton by the anemome?
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BAD IDEA. Your seahorses will get caught!
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Just brainstorming I didn't think it would work I will try the anenome with the ray.
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That would work ...... unless the anenome sticks to the rays tail as it goes by and rips the anenome off of its perch or the Ray eats the clowns like mine did.
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Originally posted by Holdencraft 33 Holdencraft 33 wrote:

That would work ...... unless the anenome sticks to the rays tail as it goes by and rips the anenome off of its perch or the Ray eats the clowns like mine did.
 
which one happened the Ray riped the anenome off it's perch or the Ray ate the clowns or both?
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Ive had both seahorses and pipes but never in a reef. Horses hitch to anything they float by. There are very few corals which will allow this without giving them a nasty sting. 
 
Current is also an issue because most corals need at least moderate flow and horses no not do well with moderate flow. 
 
I currently have three pipes in my reef. Jann's and two dragon pipes. They do fine because of my feeding habits and the fact that I have lots of caves for them to get out of the stonger current. They eat bugs as well as frozen and if Im lucky a red bug or two.  Horses are better left to a dedicated tank....
 
 
I have flying monkeys and I'm not afraid to use them.

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He ate both of my black clowns. I wouldn't put an anemone in any reef. I hate their destructive behavior. JMO.
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