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Some recent topics on this forum discussing the husbandry requirements of Moorish Idols.  I thought I'd put together some thoughts on this.  Hopefully this will bring out some items that many of you will find educational.
 
Moorish Idols
There is only one species in the genus Zanclus and that is the Moorish Idol (Zanclus cornutus).  It is often misspelled Morish Idol missing one O.  These fish are very closely related to the tangs (Acanthuridae).   And I mean very closely related.  They behave much like tangs and even fight with their tails... even though they are lacking a spine on the caudal peduncle.  In general, thinking of their husbandry as that of a Acanthurid is fitting.
These fish are nearly always found in the wild swimming as pairs.  From an aquarium point of view and from an aquaculture point of view this is awesome.  We can collect them as pairs of fish!  Once in a while a smaller third fish is there, and in some instances they are found in groups (usually attacking food sources and overpowering other fishes).  As fragile and delicate as they appear, they are actually known for being bullys and have quite the strong temper/attitude.
 
Collection
These fishes are not imported in high numbers.  In fact, most wholesalers only have a handful of Moorish Idols.  They frequently come from Hawaii, where they are hand caught near the shore.  These fish have been sought after for many years.  Their striking patterns and body shape attract all sorts of hobbyists.  Unfortunately their track record in the hobby is dismal.
 
The Past
Moorish Idols were first being captive raised... well I don't know when.  But I do know that by 1999 there was enough success to generate serious aquaculture interest.  In MASNA's publication Marine Scene (1999) Dennis Gallagher (yes that Dennis!) published an article called "Report From The Philippines" and Dennis stated that if banning the collection of fishes were to take place the breeders would soon be ready to enter the market.  Not only enter the market but he stated they would be able to successfully compete with the black market!
 
So here we are 10 years later and it hasn't happened.  Why not?
Number one, collection wasn't banned.  Therefore you didn't have to raise them in captivity to get one.  But a bigger factor (in my opinion) was pricing.  These fish come from Hawaii... are collected in an ecofriendly manner... travel a short distance to the Los Angeles wholesalers... and have relatively little expense when compared to Indian Ocean fishes. 
The main efforts to breed and raise Idols came from some French scientists.  I can't confirm this, but I think one reason it was so popular in Europe was because of the cost of flying the fish from Hawaii made them much more expensive in the Eurpean market.  These efforts didn't really take off.  Instead, some success in raising the post larval fish took over.  Moorish Idols settle on the reef at a very large size.  They can be collected off reef in open water in large numbers.  From here they can be raised to market size in aquariums.  Side note- collecting them is much easier said than done... I tried.
 
The Current
Right now Moorish Idols are on the no-no list of most aquarists.  And for good reason.  They typically don't live more than 2 weeks in captivity, one of those weeks spent before the hobbyist even buys the fish.  However, this isn't as bad as it sounds.  Many fishes don't make it that long in the hobby.  What's worse is that for many Indo-Pacific fish there is great loss prior to making it into the US, more loss at the wholesale, and then finally some loss in retail stores.  Moorish Idols don't suffer those initial losses.  That is a very significant issue.  If we ship 100 clown fish from Indonesia to Salt Lake City and only 5 come alive that means we have the %5 strongest fish.  Chances are you will do well with those 5 fish.  If we ship 100 Moorish Idols from Hawaii to Salt Lake City, almost all 100 will make it here alive.  If 95 of them die in a week we're still left with the %5 strongest fish.  Many experts argue that the perception of Moorish Idols being difficult to keep is because they all die in the hands of aquarists, and not in the hands of shippers. 
 
Is It Food?
For many upon many years the reasoning behind Idol deaths has been of food concerns.  Not enough worms.  Not enough sponge.  Missing special microinverts from the diet.  Needs seaweed.  Doesn't eat plankton.  Arguements to go around a plenty.  And, possibly for good reason.  These fish do seem to have special dietary requirements that haven't been fully described.
 
Is it Disease?
Moorish Idols get sick.  No doubt about it.  In fact numerous reports show them "bombing" a tank.  The Idol gets sick and it dies.  That seems bad but it is only the beginning.  For when they die they are often times carrying loads of pathogens which then enter the water.  The real problem in losing an Idol may not be losing the Idol, but then losing all your other fish in a matter of a few days.  A very risky situation (think sea apples).
So why do they get diseased?  A couple easy answers, and some tough answers.  First, they have scaless soft skin.  This is ripe for many parasites.  However, in the wild they don't come into contact with many parasites.  In home aquariums where everything is so condensed the parasites can't help but land on the fish.  The aquariums may just not be big enough. (don't think experts lose everything to disease, read here http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2006/7/aaeditorial/ )
 
Is It Tank Size?
This was ruled out years ago... but is now making a strong case.  The fact is some very large aquariums (thousands of gallons) are doing well with Idols.  Most of these tanks are in public aquariums.  Having a large tank size may be the key in reducing parasites, and providing the live rock growth needed to feed these fish. 
Ah, wait, not so fast.  I have kept an Idol I had for 2 years?  I'm almost embarrased to tell you where I kept it.  It was in my 29 gallon tank.  That tank NEVER had a single water change.  Was I just lucky?  Twice?  You would think so... if it hadn't been for the other hundreds of hobbyists who also kept Idols alive in small tanks. 
And the other part of that, big tanks for more live rock.  Well, some of these large tanks are Fish Only Tanks without live rock!  And some of these large tanks (withour without live rock) are typically fed foods that are of LOWER quality than what most hobbyists have. 
 
Is it Water Motion?
Another thought on why these fish don't do well in reef tanks is because they are only sort of reef fish.  Many Idols are found right near the shore in crashing waves and tide areas.  For this reason some people are trying to keep these fish in chaotic tanks filled with waves and water flow. 
As a side note, some people (including myself) learned the hard way that these fish are prone to dieing on pumps.  They have a tendency to swim right up into the flow... and get stuck right on the Korallia, VorTech, Tunze or whatever stream pump is available.  You may think pulse mode will save the fish, but you'd be wrong.  They are able to swim to the pump, but they lack the strength to swim away. 
 
Failure Stories
The hobby is filled with them.  Buy the fish, take it home, dead in four days.  Again, this sounds really bad but they hobby is filled with these stories for many species of fish.  However, this one is way up on the list of "bad" because there have been few success stories to go with those failure stories.
 
Success Stories
Here is where this fish differs from the rest.  It has all the failure stories like everything else, but it has few success stories.  We know they can be kept in captivity.  Some have been kept for many years.  Some (reportedly) spawn in captivity.  But success has been limited.  I myself have kept a Moorish Idol for over two years.  I've had another go well over a year.  What was my secret?  I don't know, I've also had one die at about the 1 month mark (could not keep it away from the pumps).  In general, I do well with Moorish Idols.  Okay I shouldn't say I do well with them, I should say I do far better than most, but there is still a long ways to go. 
To sum up the success, some have been kept in small tanks for years.  Recently larger aquariums are having more success.  They have been captive raised, and tank reared.  But those efforts seem short lived and never really took off. 
In every major city and in every aquarium club out there you can find someone doing very well with these fish.  They all have their theories on why they are successfull... but no one has really found a method that holds up.
 
Where the Ideas are Going
For years and years the thought was foods.  In fact one of our club member Gary Williams has owned a couple Moorish Idols and they have all done very well for him.  He has told me a million times (possibly exagerated) that the key is "spectrum pellets."  If I hear Gary tell me one more time to buy "spectrum pellets" I'm shovin' the bottle of food up his... you get the idea.
The trend now isn't that Moorish Idols are difficult to feed (Blundell 2007).  In fact I swear I can get any Moorish Idol to eat in captivity.  There are some foods that I see them take every time (crushed dainichi, freshwater mysis, ocean nutrition spirulina flake, and yes Gary's spectrum pellets, etc.).  If you have an Idol, I can get it to eat.  However, it hasn't been shown that these foods contain all the Idol needs.  That is hypothesised to potentially be the key.  They may be eating these foods but that may be like a human living off of icecream and donuts. 
A very popular article by Dr. Thaler in Coral (2007) documented the relative ease in keeping these fish.  It indeed sparked the interest of many hobbyists who had shunned these fish fearing them difficult to keep.  Dr. Thaler even states "Zanclus cornutus is, without a doubt, a beautiful inhabitant of the aquarium that can grow very old when conditions are right.  The only prerequisite is, of course, that the fish is healthy and not "damaged" when it is introduced into the aquarium."
That is some seriously strong language in support of these fish.  I for one, am not quite ready to agree with that. 
  
Random Thoughts (read this before buying a Moorish Idol)
1) some hobbyists claim that having bright moon lights help Moorish Idols.  While the other fish sleep, and the bugs come out, the Idol will stay awake and hunt
2) there is some evidence that after buying an Idol you should keep your tank lights on for several days (Blundell 2008).  On the theory that at night they aren't eating I developed a plan for hobbyists to keep their tank lights on 24 hours for several days.  It may have helped.
3) You can get Idols to eat... I guarantee it
4) I'm not sure they are eating everything they need to eat
5) They live for many years in small tanks
6) They die within 1 week for almost every tank
7) As difficult as it is for me to think of Spectrum pellets as the key, it is hard to argue against a guy that has had great success
8) Large aquariums are showing success... with or without live rock
9) Disease, disease, disease.  It kills Idols
10) A dead Idol can disease and wipe out a tank
 
Some more random thoughts and information...
 
17 times more yellow tangs are collected than Moorish Idols
 
A Moorish Idol is worth $3 to the collector
 
It is omnivorous but feeds more on animal life than algae; sponges dominate the animal
diet, but bryozoans, small molluscs, small crustaceans, hydroids, and tunicates have also been found in the stomach contents.
 
The Moorish idol is important in the aquarium trade, but it does well only in large tanks. Aquarium fish collectors seek only the smaller individuals because adults are too large and do not adapt well to aquarium life. Aquarium fish feed well on chopped clams or mussels, brine shrimp, and tubifex worms. Individual fishes have been reported to survive as long as 10 years in an aquarium.
 
The Big Hawaii MPA report
 
Waikiki Aquarium Report
Moorish idols are actually most closely related to the surgeonfishes, sharing similar teeth,
scales, and swimming style (using primarily the pectoral fins), but lacking the tangs' characteristic "scalpel". In shape, behavior and diet, through, the Moorish idol more closely resembles butterflyfishes. Omnivorous, the idol feeds mostly on animal material, like sponges, and extracts prey from crevices with a slightly elongated jaw. The diet makes this species difficult to maintain, but Aquarium Live Exhibits staff find that younger individuals can be trained over to the gelatin food we prepare.
 
I'll go get the full report on this, and email to anyone who wants it...
and this as well...
 
 
 
This comes to us from Julian Sprung
Sprung, J., (2007), "Moorish Idols in Captivity" Freshwater and Marine Aquarium, August 2008. Irvine, California.
 
"These idols, held in an exporter's tank, will need to be carefully cared for after they arrive at their destination. Otherwise, they may be susceptible to disease."
 
"They [Moorish Idols] have an extremely long larval period, which has two important results. They settle as juveniles at an amazingly large 2 1/2 to 3 inches, and they have the potential to drift very long distances during their larval period."
 
"the Moorish idol has a reputation of being extremely delicate in captivity. In fact, there is a debate among aquarists, because many feel that it should not be collected, while others insist it is "hardy." "
 
"the Moorish idol is a robust creature despite its dainty form, but it is prone to some diseases that can quickly kill it, and there are other important husbandry issues to consider if one wants to maintain it in captivity."
 
"I agree with the notion that this is a fish for the dedicated specialist and not for the average beginning hobbyist, though as I said, this does not mean I consider it a delicate species."
 
"I recommend a minimum tank length of 6 feet."
 
"A 100-gallon aquarium is really on the threshold of being too small for the long-term maintenance of this species."
 
"I have observed a few specimens that have been maintained in 30-gallon aquariums successfully for extended periods of time (a few years), but I think these are exceptional specimens in the care of exceptionally good aquarists."
(I knew Julian had seen my old tank, didn't know he'd call me an exceptionally good aquarist Wink)
 
Public aquariums do well with Idols when they have sunlight to promote algae growth.  Also, big ponds or pools are best.  Julian has seen them do well in ponds 12 inches deep!  Shallow enough that the dorsal fin sticks out of the water.
 
"The Moorish idol ranks among the most aggressive reef fish in captivity. It will harass its tankmates to death."
 
"If you buy a school of similarly sized Moorish idols, they will make a lovely display for three or four days. Then one of them will become isolated and will be chased by the other Moorish idols until it dies...   ... this goes on until only one Moorish idol remains."
 
"The typical advice for anyone contemplating the care of Moorish idols states that delicate fish need docile tankmates. Based on my earlier comments about the attitude of Moorish idols, one can imagine that I don't entirely agree with that advice."
 
"The main obstacle to the long-term maintenance of the Moorish idol is its low resistance to disease."
 
"The Moorish idol is very susceptible to the common parasites"
 
"once it becomes ill it tends to get worse and die much more rapidly than most other marine fish."
 
"it is not difficult to get a Moorish idol to feed, it is another matter to provide it with the volume of food it requires to remain healthy."
 
"the Moorish idol has a voracious appetite and often feeds on dried flake food within hours of being introduced into an aquarium."
 
"Normally, it [Moorish idols] eats just about anything offered"
 
"it tolerates a wide range of water conditions"
 
"High ammonium levels, as occur in shipping, probably damage the gills and increase the likelihood of illness."
(chalk up a point for Jake on that one!)
 
"Ecocean's project in Tahiti, where planktonic larvae are harvested at night by attracting them to floating light traps and then raised in tanks. This produces juvenile Moorish idols that are preadapted to living in aquariums and feeding on artificial diets."
 
Adam
 
ps- I'm still adding to this post, and I'll be adding pictures later as well....


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By the way, I just wasted like an hour typing that up.  Pinch  I hope someone here learns something and appreciates it.  I'm going to take a nap or eat lunch now...
 
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Well, I'll try to add more, and add pictures.  You can put it in the seastar if you want.  But given the recent discussions I thought I'd get out here now, and not later. 

Tell you what, I'll get you an article on Mandarins or something else that is a hot topic.
 
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I had an idol for two years. Ate right out of my hands. Its only when I gave it to a fellow hobbist that it died.
 
I fed home made food and often Shocked, was running two wave 2K's, and had a 210 with tons of rock and a healthy sump.... Who knows.
 
Im glad I had success, its an amazing fish.
 
Thanks for the info Adam, that was fun to read for someone who has been one of the lucky.. 
 
 
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Connie- THAT IS AWESOME!  Here is another person in our club who kept an Idol for 2 years and I didn't even know it.  Thanks for posting, and describing your setup.

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Wow I always have loved these fish but knew they could be difficult so I stayed away from them. I think a big part of it sounds like patience and research. Thanks Adam for sharing the info. Maybe some day I will give it a go but not anytime soon. It is on my ultimate fish list.
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how would one do with a ray zoo's ric's and LPS?

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when we get our tank up and running we are going to have a few. We have had success keeping harder to keep fish. (achilles tangs, cleaner wrasses) I think our success has been attributed to lots of small frequent feedings. turbulent water flow, and pristine water.
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As good as one could do without.... I'll give you a %5 chance LOL
 
Kind of smart ass answer, but that is the truth.  I mean you can do all you can but I still don't have any secrets.  Maybe Connie does.  Listen, it is a risky fish.  It certainly can be done but I'd fear disease, pumps, and nutrition.  So tackle those issues before anything else.
 
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Crystal- by them as pairs.  I forgot to write that (I'll go add it now).  In the wild they are almost always found as pairs and it is the exception to see them in a group.
 
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The only thing I know about Moorish Idols is that there are lots more of them in hawaii (kauaii) then yellow tangs!!! Wink
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Good point!  In Jon's experience (which we've spoken about before) buying these fish would have less impact than buying a yellow tang.
 
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I am worried about what corrals the Moorish Idol might eat. I hate the way reef safe is thrown around. I don't know if you covered this in your original post I don't have time to read it I printed it and will read it tonight techically I shouldn't be posting now.
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So from what I read of this artice, they have been able to breed moorish idols in captivity?How come they can't master that on the yellow tangs or other surgeon fish? Sorry, I am plucking your brain Adam!
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Lockdown that is a good question.  And yep, you are stretching me here. 
Difference between raising tangs and raising gobies is huge.  That I could answer.
Difference between raising Idols and raising tangs is small.  So that is very tough to answer.
 
You know, right off... you've stumped me.  We can get fertilized tang eggs, producing larvae.  But other than some minimal success with Yellow Tangs I don't think any tang has been captive raised.  No one has taken larvae to juvenile.
 
You know what.  You'll have to ask me again sometime.  I don't think I know the answer to that.
 
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My guess is when you can collect some species easily why try to raise them. It takes a lot of passion to try new things and Money drives passion sometimes. 
 
I want to have a Moorish Idol I think they are a geourges fish and would love to solve how to keep them effectivly. Not for the money but for the Moorish Idol.
 
Sea Dragons are next in line in my book. that is why I want to learn everything I can about seahorses they are awsome fish in their own right also.
 
 


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I see how tank bred clown fish are stronger then ocean netted fish. I am wondering if raising the the larvae or captive raising tangs would produce a stronger more resistant to disease tang? I just look how far this hobby has come in just 10 years and I am wondering when the hobbyist or marine biologists will be able to master captive raising most of these fish.

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i'm pretty sure the issue is what they eat as young. they have been breeding mandarins and raising the young now with success, but only from wild zooplankton. They dont know EXACTLy what they eat. we have such success with clowns because we can raise them on rotifers which are easy to culture by us.

 

I totally understand the success rate :) I think half the battle is getting a healthy specimen. its hard to fight a battle that is already lost before you even geti t home.

I've heard of a lot of success with feeding them bannnanas at first. it resembles a sponge and has good nutritional value.
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