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Jeff Hite
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Topic: Cheapest stuff I can find for our tanks Posted: March 22 2003 at 7:42pm |
Places with cheap stuff for our tanks:
Please add more is you find anything
http://www.floatswitches.net/
http://www.clarksol.com/html/prodspecsM045Pump.htm - Heard these were $45, let you know on Monday
http://www.greylor.com/catalog.htm - More small pumps
Oh yeah, Home Depot has electronic timers, three prong, for $20. Really nice ones.
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Posted: March 22 2003 at 10:40pm |
I use Walmart timers that were $5.00 each that are 2 prong. Two prong adapters are like a couple for a buck roughly.
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Keep your hands and arms inside the tank and enjoy the ride!
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Posted: March 22 2003 at 11:05pm |
If you have lights (flourescents) that have a hard time starting, it could be because they're not grounded. I always use 3 prong timers for my lights and ground the reflector behind the bulb.
K-mart has (maybe had) 3 prong timers for about $10. Not as nice as the digital ones at home depot, but they do work!
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Posted: March 23 2003 at 12:26am |
Another important reason to use 3 prong plugs is to avoid stray voltage in you tank. Especially with lights.
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Posted: March 23 2003 at 6:07pm |
Regional Supply has been a favorite for me. You can buy Acrylic Sheet scraps for $1 a pound. Acrylic can be used to construct sumps/refugiums, custom overflows (with tank drilling obviously) and a lot of other stuff too. They have it in clear, smoke, black, etc.
Also, Commercial Lighting supply is a great place for VHO, HO and Power Compact ballasts. They carry the Fulham Workhorse 7 ballast which is similar to Icecap in it's flexibility for about $30-40. The same ballasts are used in Retail ballasts for about $100.
Those are a few of my findings.
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Posted: March 23 2003 at 8:44pm |
Hey Ryan,
Are those electronic ballasts, or tar?
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Posted: March 23 2003 at 9:50pm |
Jeff,
Check out www.fulham.com for more info. They are electronic and the workhorse 7 can power 2 110 watt VHO bulbs (4').
I've got a workhorse 3 powering a 36 watt PC, the label says max power of 64 watts. Shouldn't that mean I can power a 55 watt bulb? Fulham's website doesn't indicate that this can be done (I think they recomend a workhorse 33).
Anyone have an old 55 watt PC ( .... pin pattern) they would be willing to let me try? I don't want the bulb, just want to see if it'll fire.
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Posted: March 23 2003 at 10:15pm |
ALL A DOLLAR
has little shells perfect for your Hermits.
a basket full of them for $1
bunch of different sizes
boil them in water first
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Posted: March 24 2003 at 7:35am |
I had 4- 55Watt Power Compacts on a workhorse 7 Ballast. It wasn't one of the "recommended" wiring setups from Fulham, but I talked to one of their engineers, and he said it would work fine. I never had a problem with it, and had it hooked up for 6 months. The maximum wattage for the ballast was 220 Watts, and the total wattage of the bulbs was 220.
Jon, have you hooked up two 110 Watt VHO's to the WH7? I know the total wattage is 220, but the guy from Fulham I talked to this time around said you should only do one because of the high energy requirements of the VHO bulbs. I'd love to do two if it will work, and not underdrive the bulbs. I just want to get the most out of the bulbs/ballasts that I can.
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Posted: March 24 2003 at 8:25am |
I have not hooked up two 110 watt VHO's to a WH7, but many have in the diy forum on reefcentral. Rumur has it that early on, fulham had wiring drawings for doing this, but then pulled back and said to use one bulb. Don't know if it was due to marketing or engineering? I just bought a WH7 but will only be firing 2 x 24" bulbs. When the aquarium fairy visits me with a bigger tank I plan to use this ballast to fire two 48" VHO bulbs.
Did you call them on the phone? emailing them doesn't seem to work for me.
Another option for VHO:
http://www.aquadirect.com/catalog/lighting/hamilton/supervhoballast.htm
Similar to the IC 660, but only $140.
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Posted: March 26 2003 at 7:44pm |
I thought this looked like a pretty good deal. Anyone have experience with this type of pH pen?
http://www.aquaticeco.com/aquatic1v1/itempg.icl?orderidentifier=ID10487344346076C1508&eflag=0&iteminfo4=0&itmid=9217&passitemid=9217
I'm thinking about ordering one. If anyone wants one let me know and I will order them and we can split the shipping. It's either this or the pinpoint monitor for $90. I can't decide ...
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Posted: March 26 2003 at 7:50pm |
I like the Milwaukee over the pinpoint. It's only $85, and is MUCH nicer.
MSM carries it.
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Posted: March 26 2003 at 10:13pm |
Quote: Originally posted by Shane H on 26 March 2003
I thought this looked like a pretty good deal. Anyone have experience with this type of pH pen?
http://www.aquaticeco.com/aquatic1v1/itempg.icl?orderidentifier=ID10487344346076C1508&eflag=0&iteminfo4=0&itmid=9217&passitemid=9217
I'm thinking about ordering one. If anyone wants one let me know and I will order them and we can split the shipping. It's either this or the pinpoint monitor for $90. I can't decide ...
I can't say for sure with regard to this pen, but at that price (and look), I'd say it's precision is only to the tenth and accuracy at 0.2. That means if it reads 8.20 it could be anywhere between 8.0 and 8.4. You decide it thats accurate enough for you. I'm sure you can find out accuracy/precision from aquaticeco.
A good probe will usually cost you closer to $100...ymmv.
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Posted: March 27 2003 at 7:20pm |
Where did you come up with those numbers? Is this your speculation, or am I missing somthing here? I say get it, I have some calibration fluid, bring it over, and we will compare it to my Neptune monitor, and be sure with some calibration fluid. I really cant see that company selling something for aquariums that would be that far off. Just my .02.
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Posted: March 27 2003 at 7:55pm |
Resolution 0.1 pH Accuracy +/- 0.2 pH
Here is the product spec link: http://www.hannainst.co.uk/cat-html/it020028.htm
+/- 0.2 is a wide range but it sure beats the pants off of a pH test kit for ease of use...
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Posted: March 27 2003 at 8:07pm |
Shane, Count me in on the $18 PH monitor.
Give me a call, and I can arrange to get you some cash.
Thanks, Ryan
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Posted: March 27 2003 at 9:20pm |
Jeff, your Neptune is probably 0.01 precision and 0.01 accuracy. I'd say this is a good meter.
Shane, if you're ordering, I too would be interested one (just 'cause the accuracy is 0.2 doesn't necessarily mean it has to be that far off...maybe I'll get lucky). I'd like to check it against our meter at work too. Let me know how to get in touch.
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Posted: March 27 2003 at 9:32pm |
Wow possibly that far off huh? Think I would stick to a Pinpoint, Neptune, ect.
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Posted: March 27 2003 at 11:10pm |
On the subject of the workhorse 7 ballast. Does anyone know if two regular fluroscent bulbs can be driven using those and get (close to ) the same light output as VHOs. THis is possible when using icecap660 ballast
Check out this article for some awesome info regarding using cheap bulbs in place of VHOs http://www.icecapinc.com/famaarticle.htm
BTW. great thread. keep it coming.
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Posted: March 28 2003 at 7:18am |
I don't understand how it would be possible to get a higher output than the rating of the lamp. A 60 watt NO flourescent driven at full power will still only put out 60 watts of light. (In theory.) You may notice a difference with driving the same 60 watt bulb with two different 60 watt ballasts, but that would only be caused by one of those ballasts not putting out the correct power for that bulb...
I don't know for sure, but I will tell you that the Workhorse 7 is worth having. It's very flexible, and is absolutely silent to the ear. Just my .02 cents. And, coincidentally, it'sd MUCH cheaper than an icecap ballast. (By the way, the WH7 ballast will run 3 of these bulbs.)
Ryan
Quote: Originally posted by seti007 on 28 March 2003
On the subject of the workhorse 7 ballast. Does anyone know if two regular fluroscent bulbs can be driven using those and get (close to ) the same light output as VHOs. THis is possible when using icecap660 ballast
Check out this article for some awesome info regarding using cheap bulbs in place of VHOs http://www.icecapinc.com/famaarticle.htm
BTW. great thread. keep it coming.
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