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    Posted: July 05 2010 at 7:12pm
If I replaced 75#'s of my existing rock with Marco rock keylargo base rock, (in tubs 4 days) how bad would the cycle be? As everyone knows my tank is over 6 yrs old so it is very stable I have 170# of live rock now.

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thats almost 50 percent. i would probably switch 25 percent first then the other 25 in about two weeks this can prevent a mini cycle and i would hate seeing in your tank
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If that rock is like LBTR, and I think it is. Isn't it mined from the ground? Then it will hardly create any pollution. If I am right about this, you could do a lot of it.
I'm with Santiago on this. I don't work by pounds. I work by percentage. The biofiltration works this way. If you change out half the rock, that means you have cut its filtration in half. That's why taking it slow and doing it in portions over time is most often the better way to go, no matter how old the LR or the tank is. It's also a big job. Biting off smaller chunks at a time is easier, in my experience.

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the rock is mined underground and it is very clean
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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

The biofiltration works this way. If you change out half the rock, that means you have cut its filtration in half. 


Doesn't the live sand provide much more biofiltration than the live rock?

This article states that live sand is far better as a biofilter (for nitrates at least):


Therefore, if he removes 50% of the live rock, maybe he's only reducing the biofiltration capacity by say 15-25% or so?  It still makes sense to move slower, but just wondering that for myself also.

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Test your water that your Key Largo is in now, I have heard sometimes the Marco Key Largo rock can release phosphates. 
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Yes, I too believe that, speaking in general terms, LS offers a greater percentage of filtration than LR, so I agree. What I meant was 50% of the biofiltration provided by just the LR component. My thought is that removing 50% of the LR would reduce the tanks biofiltration by 30%.

I agree with tCfab that the Key Largo rock may have a higher amount of PO4. This would create a pretty good algae bloom. Testing is probably the only way to know since I believe that Jeff has been keeping this rock in relative darkness, no?
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Yes it's in the garage. No phosphates yet
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It's had time to show in the water if PO4 was there. I'd say the rock is ready to go.Thumbs Up
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Should I do a few pieces at a time?
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If it was me, I would put in 2-3 smaller pieces (~10 lbs.) and watch to see whether or not they get a brown surface algae growth. That would help me decide what to do next.
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That's what I will do. Thanks for the helpClap
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Great info, I was wondering the same thing ( Thanks )
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so is it bad if it start growing brown algae? because i recently purchade 50lbs of rock and its growing some of that algae
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No it's not bad, it's normal.
The amount of brown algae is what I would look at to help me choose how to proceed.
A tank with too little biofiltration, brown algae(diatoms and dino-flagellates) is going to be much thicker or more extensive than in a tank with sufficient biofiltration.
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I put 5 pieces in on the 7th and my daughter say's there is no algae bloom. Rock still looks white.
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You may start to notice a green tint to the rock. This is a coralline algae that starts first. Next you should see dots of pink and/or purple coralline algae. Here is a pic of some LBTR at about 3 weeks:


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so would the rock I put in have any biological filtering effect? I haven't put any new rock in since then but I would like to when I get home
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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

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You may start to notice a green tint to the rock. This is a coralline algae that starts first. Next you should see dots of pink and/or purple coralline algae. Here is a pic of some LBTR at about 3 weeks:

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Would this be that same "green tint"?  I replaced 50% of my LR with this big hunk of Vida-Rock and this pic is about 6 weeks in.  You can't see the detail, but I do see the pink/purple spots starting to grow, but the green algae on top seems to be more than just coralline.  I can't wait until this big hunk of rock looks more natural!


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I have had a chunk of vida rock in my sump for 2 months. Going to make a chalice tree.
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