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Just a small update. I have been dosing Microbacter7 and Aquavitro Fuel for 5 days now. I started dosing vodka. But read that you should wait two weeks before dosing vodka if you start mb7

Levels as follows
Nitrates/nitrites no readable levels
phosphates no readable levels

I will start dosing for a low nutrient system after the two week period. I have month old Marco rock and figure I should bolster my Bio filtration as specified on the bottle.

Acro is growing nicely, getting some good polyp extension. Birdsnest is coloring up nicely, Chalices I bought at the reef fest are showing great growth (for chalices) and my other corals are doing great as well
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Originally posted by Davidwillis Davidwillis wrote:

no matter what system you are using, a power outage is scary...
I disagree with this statement. In fact, my whole reefing life is a contradiction to this statement.Smile
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Did you measure you nitrates and phosphates before you started?
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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

Originally posted by Davidwillis Davidwillis wrote:

no matter what system you are using, a power outage is scary...
I disagree with this statement. In fact, my whole reefing life is a contradiction to this statement.Smile

When I wrote that I almost said unless you are Mark.... But then I thought it might even be scary for you to loose your powerhead....LOL
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Originally posted by Davidwillis Davidwillis wrote:

Did you measure you nitrates and phosphates before you started?



I should have but I didn't. I didn't expect that my levels were bad as I wasn't seeing any negative signs and everything was already doing well in my tank. Ill do some more testing when I start up vodka again next week .

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Originally posted by Davidwillis Davidwillis wrote:

Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

Originally posted by Davidwillis Davidwillis wrote:

no matter what system you are using, a power outage is scary...
I disagree with this statement. In fact, my whole reefing life is a contradiction to this statement.Smile

When I wrote that I almost said unless you are Mark.... But then I thought it might even be scary for you to loose your powerhead....LOL
One would think that I know, but my tanks survivability during power outages probably has to do with relatively lower fish populations, the lack of filtration gadgets and the exposure to direct sunlight.
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simple is genius...Smile
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So 3 days into MB7 dosing something kind of strange is happening. My suncoral which has always been closed all day long and only opens up to be spot fed when the lights go out at night is now open all day long. Interesting...
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Originally posted by Jeffs_little_ocean Jeffs_little_ocean wrote:

So 3 days into MB7 dosing something kind of strange is happening. My suncoral which has always been closed all day long and only opens up to be spot fed when the lights go out at night is now open all day long. Interesting...



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so i dont know if it was in this thread i read it or one of those links someone posted.....but


Isnt the true reason they started dosing this way is for feeding (planktonic) and the lower nitrates and phosphates was just an upside to this.
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Originally posted by badfinger badfinger wrote:

so i dont know if it was in this thread i read it or one of those links someone posted.....but


Isnt the true reason they started dosing this way is for feeding (planktonic) and the lower nitrates and phosphates was just an upside to this.

I believe you are correct sir. I start my pellets on Monday. I'm going with Brightwell Aquatics Katalyst pellets, and a combination of MB7 and Probidio Bio Digest. I'm looking forwars to keeping more NPS, and making my goniopora even healthier. 
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can you just does mb7 and not vodka?.... and get anywhere near the same effects, cause i am assuming the bacteria (mb7) would still go into your tank and eat up certain stuff

also i keep hearing people say that you can just stop dosing with no harm? how is this possible? i would imagine if your dosing a carbon source, and then a bacteria to eat that carbon. that your tank would become somewhat dependent
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Originally posted by badfinger badfinger wrote:

can you just does mb7 and not vodka?.... and get anywhere near the same effects, cause i am assuming the bacteria (mb7) would still go into your tank and eat up certain stuff

also i keep hearing people say that you can just stop dosing with no harm? how is this possible? i would imagine if your dosing a carbon source, and then a bacteria to eat that carbon. that your tank would become somewhat dependent


Yes you can dose just MB7 but I doubt you will get the same results. You will more than likely still see positive results in the end. My guess is you would have to dose more MB7 to compensate.

I wouldn't just stop cold turkey. I would slowly lean off of dosing. This method is unnatural. I would actually say it is more natural than just about any other method. It involves everything naturally found on the reefs. Bacteria eating up phosphates and nitrates and then exporting the nutrients.

I don't see why I would ever stop dosing but if that day comes, I will slowly lower the dosing.

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Well I mean more like when I go out of town for like a week and don't want to trust someone else putting vodka in my tank.... stuff like that
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Originally posted by badfinger badfinger wrote:

Well I mean more like when I go out of town for like a week and don't want to trust someone else putting vodka in my tank.... stuff like that
Well you certainly wouldnt want to trust someone else with dosing while on vacation. I would assume that you could leave your tank un-dosed for a week and although you may have a reduction in the carbon fed biofilm, and as long as your skimmer is running, I doubt your system would crash. Hopefully Ryan will correct me if I am wrong on this?
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You will be fine leaving the tank for a week without dosing. I have been on 4 vacations since I started dosing vodka and my tank has been just fine.

I also don't dose Vodka daily so my tank would really only miss a couple doses of vodka and I can add bacteria before I leave. Then just continue my dosing when I get home.
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My Katalyst pellets, MB7, and Probidio should be here Monday or Tuesday. I'm excited to get it going.
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Originally posted by Ryan Thompson Ryan Thompson wrote:

I also don't dose Vodka daily so my tank would really only miss a couple doses of vodka and I can add bacteria before I leave. Then just continue my dosing when I get home.

If dosing can be skipped, this says to me that the current dosing schedule is more than needed. Are you sure the dosing isn't for you instead of the tank? Take that as a challenge if you like. I think most hobbyists are simply enamored with Vodka.Tongue
There are many other sources of carbon that are safer and less expensive. Two in particular come to mind; vinegar and brown sugar.



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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:


Originally posted by Ryan Thompson Ryan Thompson wrote:

I also don't dose Vodka daily so my tank would really only miss a couple doses of vodka and I can add bacteria before I leave. Then just continue my dosing when I get home.
If dosing can be skipped, this says to me that the current dosing schedule is more than needed. Are you sure the dosing isn't for you instead of the tank? Take that as a challenge if you like. I think most hobbyists are simply enamored with Vodka.TongueThere are many other sources of carbon that are safer and less expensive. Two in particular come to mind; vinegar and brown sugar.


The recommended dosing is not too much for a system. Everything varies on the individual system. I know my nutrients are already low and therefore I don't need to dose as much Vodka.

I would highly recommend reading the links, Mark. I'm sure you have but do it again. A lot of the questions you pose, are answered in those links.

Sugar and Vinegar are used to dose tanks. It is called VSV dosing. Some theories are that certain strands of bacteria do better when sugar is added and other strands like Vinegar more.

There are a couple issues to vinegar and sugar. Purity first off and that vinegar can drastically lower your pH. Vodka is about as pure as things come and I find it to be the safest route. Vodka doesn't appeal to me because it is vodka, it appeals to me because I have studied the different dosing methods and found Vodka to have the most pro's.
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For me what interest me is the planktonic feeding it enables.... and having lowered nitrates and phospastes will be the plus for me.

I plan on only dosing vodka once a week(on Tuesday since I am usually always home on Tuesday)and dosing mb7 on tues and wed... should that work out well? Since I. Only really want it for feeding, I figure once a week should be fine... could be wrong

Ryan, is there any amount of time that you are supposed to wait before adding mb7 after vodka?

And mark I am not that thrilled about sharing my vodka, just means less goes in my weekly dosing requirements...lol
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