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jpiotrowski
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 12:57pm |
Jake,
Thanks, I wrote for 15 min trying to say what you said in two sentences.
It even makes it more difficult when you try including all the 'right' ways.
Maybe we could put together a series of books and pamphlets? One for sps for example? and maybe later on condense it into a text?
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 1:22pm |
Jody is right, a lot of this has been discussed. But it is buried deep within the bits and bytes of past threads. I usually find it easier to answer anew rather than try to search the site. My brain finds the info quicker than the "search" button. I guess I had better take advantage of my brain now while it's still working. Julian's work is not as personal as our MB. I vote for us doing our own, based on our needs and experiences. How about we start by making a list of topics of interest? Amie, Star and others have begun this already. Here is what I am thinking... Topic: The three basic aspects of Reefkeeping 1. Water - condition and flow 2. Food - feeding and waste recycling 3. Light - intensity and duration Water Testing How important is water testing? What is the list of testable parameters, in order of importance? What options are there if a test indicates something is out of whack? Fish Which fish are best to start with and which are best left for a mature aquarium? Feeding What, when and how much? What goes down the sewer and where is the sewer? Coral Are coral really easier to keep than fish? Invertebrates (other than coral) Did the shrimp die? Refugia What are the five benefits of a Refugium? Rock What makes Live Rock (LR) alive? Is LR necessary? Is it just for looks or does it actually do something? Sand Is Live Sand (LS) really alive? Is LS necessary? The tank What size should I get? Should I get glass or acrylic? Lights Skimmer
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Adam Blundell
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 2:45pm |
Even Mark's simple list looks like a lengthy task to me. I say if Jon is really going to put this together, more power to him. I for one wouldn't want that job .
Really with all the books and online articles out there I think this pamphlet should be as small as possible.
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 4:02pm |
Adam,
I was thinking of only the true mechanics of the tank, not going into types of corals/fish/inverts to keep; only if you want sps or other high light organisms, then you will need metal halides good flow, high water quality describing what all these mean but not go into the specifics about each type of coral....that has been done, but good concise for the beginner, detailed for the experienced mechanics has not...or I haven't seen it yet.
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 4:48pm |
I would think in a short pamphlet form this could be a great teaser to steer people here for more detailed information. I wonder what percentage of people who set up a SW tank get frustrated and take it down/sell out like my neighbors. This would be a good selling point for the LFS to keep these around, to keep their customers around.
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Adam Blundell
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 5:23pm |
I wonder what percentage of people who set up a SW tank get frustrated and take it down/sell out like my neighbors.
90% within a year. I keep hearing that stat during presentations but I'm not sure if I really believe it.
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 5:44pm |
I believe if people had the how to book they would stay in the hobby and not get frustrated. I have people call me all the time to find out what i would do with their specific problem and I try to help.I wished I had a small pamphlet to help me solve some of their problems. Again I agree with Amie make it simple and to the point!
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 7:09pm |
When I was just beginning, I made a small cheat sheet with tank parameter ranges. I later added a column with specifics on changing these parameters. For instance; low ph - add kalkwasser, etc. Maybe something similar would be a good place to start ???
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 7:21pm |
bugzme wrote:
Again I agree with Amie make it simple and to the point! |
Hey, thanks.
I think we all agree that there are great books and websites out there that address everything imaginable about this hobby. And there are people in this club that know more in their little finger than I ever hope, or want, to know. But, as a beginner, it would have been great to have had a place to go to find out what LFS or SPS meant. Or how to do a water change. Or that I needed to top off my tank every other day with RO water (not salt water). These are basic things that would have made my learning curve a little easier.
I think that as a beginner, there really should only be one or two ways to do things. Then, as you get more advanced in the hobby and have success, you start experimenting with other methods, etc.
For example, I don't think it's a bad idea to tell new people to mix their new water 24+ hours before a water change (using RO water), get a powerhead on the water to ensure it's mixed well, and heat it to the same temperature as the tank. After 8 months of doing that, you can tell them that you dump the salt into new tap water right before adding it to the tank and if the water is room temperature - it's good enough.
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 7:50pm |
Shane, that's exactly what I have been trying tosay! Thanks
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 9:09am |
Adam Blundell wrote:
Even Mark's simple list looks like a lengthy task to me.
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I agree. That also looks like a whole book to me.
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 9:47am |
It seems like there is alot of opposition to this from the presidency, why? I wasn't suggesting writing a book at all ! It doesn't have to have all the different theory's about live rock,live sand, or any of the normal things we all have in our tanks. Just things like baking soda, washing soda, pickling lime, making buffer, etc. I think if people had this we would save alot more corals and fish.
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 10:23am |
Jeff are you looking for something like this?
Temperature: Ideal Range: 76-81F
If its too low: Add a heater to tank
If it's too high: Add fans to evaporate more tank water, add chiller, ...
With a section for all sorts of water parameters (SG, alk, calcium, etc) and situations (white spots on my fish, cloudy water, etc)?
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 10:34am |
yes Including diy methods also
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 10:36am |
O.k. I give up
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 10:57am |
I think it would be cool to have something like this. Some people like
the science of everything, some just want to know PH should be at this
level and here are a few tips and rules to acheive that.
I see some articles on PH that go on for pages on the math and science
of PH, and as a newb it just gets frustrating to decipher what is
actually going to help me. There are long articles on everything, I
would like to see a Begginer cheat sheet to help out with the maybe
first so many months of a tank. After that then it will not be so
overwhelming to learn more advanced techniques and adding in the math
and science if one once to learn it.
Just like an automobile, Most people do not know how the internal
combustion works of an engine. But they have been taught, push gas,
brake, add fuel, check/add oil, wash car and some simple rules ofthe
road. So can succesfully operate a vehicle and get places .
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 11:47am |
Jeff- I'm with you and with Aime. I think Jake is too. I say we go for it, as long as we know that we aren't trying to write a book. I believe Finch is offering to put this together????
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 11:56am |
That would be great Adam I think Jon would do a great job! I'd even pay for a good reference sheet.
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Posted: May 02 2005 at 8:59am |
Anyone have Sprungs book that I could borrow. I was a bit disappointed when I located the cost!
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Posted: May 02 2005 at 2:26pm |
I have the one where he gives coral identifications. I think its called corals a quick reference guide, and I also have aquarium corals by eric borneman, but i just got that one and am reading it. Check out ebay for these books, you have to go through about 200 books, but you can find some really good prices. Let me know if you would like to borrow it.
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