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    Posted: May 18 2013 at 10:20pm
If you saw it i would not worry at all, just give it time. While I do not think this will be the case with a wrasse, I have a goby that I have had for about a year and I have seen him maybe 10 times, in fact I was sure he was dead for months and then I moved tanks and there he was after I took all the rock out . Give it time, soon that wrasse will own that tank as most do.
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Think it's coming out to eat when no one's around, and it's just good at hiding?
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Had a wrasse sighting. It came out long enough to be seen. Then it went right back into the sand. At least I know it's alive.

Yes I am monitoring ammonia and nitrite nightly for spikes.
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"So many opinions in this hobby..."

Aloha Kelley,

One of the conundrums for newbies in this hobby is determining who to trust. We are all mixed together here with scant knowledge of our individual experience level so let me just say, the procedure above works great for me but is not the only one that works for transferring a fish into good quality water as quickly as possible.
Handling the fish is certainly not necessary but I like it because it gives me a rare opportunity to hold my pet in my [clean] hands. Also, nets damage fish scales, can get caught on gill cover hooks and can get hooked on dorsal spines. Still, I use nets when necessary. Embarrassed

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I would start to search in the sand. A few places at the time and not all at once. Besides that there is really nothing else you can do. Have you tested your water for any spike?
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So many opinions in this hobby...

Back to relevant information, does anyone have any tips at this point?
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Actually there is no need to float the bag. Here is a quick recap of that Reefkeeping Tip:

1. Gently pour the water and fish iout of the bag nto a clean container.
2. Add a cup of water from the tank every 2-3 minutes.
3. When the amount of water in the container has doubled, place your cupped hand in and slowly lift the fish out. Place your other hand over the fish so it doesn't flip and slowly set it into the tank.
4. Pause for a few moments while the fish gets oriented and swims out of your hand.
This takes about 15 minutes.

Caution: If the fish has been in the bag for more than 2 hours, the water quality in the bag is very crappy with Urea(fish waste). The moment the bag is opened, the water is exposed to good air and the Urea changes to Ammonia. Scoop that fish out of there and into the tank immediately before the Ammonia burns it's gills.
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+1 to the above! I only float for 10 min
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Originally posted by aceofspadeskb aceofspadeskb wrote:



Given that I don't have an acclimation box, this was the next best method(at least I'm told).  I let the fish float in the bag in the top of the aquarium for 40 minutes(to match temperature).  Then I found a dark colored opaque pitcher and gently dumped the fish and his water into it.  Then using an airline with a valve on the end I slowly dripped water from the tank into the pitcher(it took about an hour and 10 minutes to fill the gallon pitcher).  At that point I dumped the water/fish through a fish net into a 5 gallon bucket, thus catching the fish in the net, but not the water.  Then the fish went into the tank(and under the sand).



That is way too long of acclimation for my opinion. I normally just drip my fish for 30-40 minutes and catch.
Also you float it for 40minutes!!! I wouldn't do that because it cause over stress and unless it was shipped the water on the bag would not get too cold. I would float for 5-10 minutes max
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 Ouch The Wrasse was in that little bit of water and it's own waste for almost two hours. I won't go into the details of how ammonia damages gills but the Reefkeeping Tip titled "Secrets of adding new fish...." gives a better way.

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Given that I don't have an acclimation box, this was the next best method(at least I'm told).  I let the fish float in the bag in the top of the aquarium for 40 minutes(to match temperature).  Then I found a dark colored opaque pitcher and gently dumped the fish and his water into it.  Then using an airline with a valve on the end I slowly dripped water from the tank into the pitcher(it took about an hour and 10 minutes to fill the gallon pitcher).  At that point I dumped the water/fish through a fish net into a 5 gallon bucket, thus catching the fish in the net, but not the water.  Then the fish went into the tank(and under the sand).
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Aloha,

Wrasses can go unseen for more than a week.

I'm curious about the "thorough drip acclimation process" you mentioned. This may have something to do with the hiding Wrasse. Would you mind explaining your process of introducing a new fish?

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Zero chance in my opinion .
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New developments... one of my blue-green chromis is now gone.  Can't find him anywhere.  What are the odds that the wrasse finally got hungry enough to come out of hiding and took the chromis out?
 
Other relevant information:  I have a tight fitting mesh top from BRS on top of the tank.  It also fits tight over the overflow box so I don't think the chromis could have jumped.
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Well if the purpose is just to determine if its still alive you can poke around the sand bed but be ready to jump when he pops out (assuming he is alive but Im sure he is) as it can be pretty startling so watch your head and where your arms will jerk back in the tank.... but this may make him hide for longer.
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Still a no show... if he doesn't show up by tomorrow(4 days), what do I do?
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Sounds like all things are normal.  Thanks!
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My CUC has a 6th sence and is only out at night after he goes to sleep. Guess those little hermit crab eyes can actually see but how do the snails know? creepy

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Mine hid for two days and now I wish he would hide himself instead of picking at my CUC. :)
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Mine hid for 4 days before I saw it again. I wouldn't worry until about day 4-5. If after a week it doesn't show up you could try sifting the sand in the area it went in.

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