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Posted: January 13 2014 at 9:30pm |
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Yeah 30% to 80% is a big jump also need a slow tumble. I started with 20% for a week then 40% for two weeks, then 70% 3 weeks later. |
I started at 30% for about 4 weeks, then jumped to 80%. I basically just filled the entire thing up. If I remove them and dry them out, I'm assuming they will be okay later on down the road?
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Posted: January 13 2014 at 9:32pm |
Yeah just rinse them off with RO water.
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Posted: January 13 2014 at 9:34pm |
I wouldn't be in a big rush to start pulling out some of the pellets. Just slow the flow down and see if that helps. The bacteria isn't going to harm anything so give it a couple of days. Put the output of the reactor as close to the skimmer intake as you can
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Posted: January 13 2014 at 9:35pm |
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I wouldn't be in a big rush to start pulling out some of the pellets. Just slow the flow down and see if that helps. The bacteria isn't going to harm anything so give it a couple of days. Put the output of the reactor as close to the skimmer intake as you can |
I'll try that. I'll turn it down and put it close to the skimmer.
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Posted: January 13 2014 at 9:35pm |
Thanks for all the feed back guys. I'll let you know what is going on in a week.
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Posted: January 13 2014 at 9:49pm |
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The bacteria isn't going to harm anything so give it a couple of days. | I disagree (although I don't like any sudden reaction in a reef tank either). Bacteria can give off toxins, which need to be removed by AC and/or skimming. Additionally, some studies have shown that even beneficial bacteria can cause coral tissue loss when the populations increase.
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Posted: January 13 2014 at 9:54pm |
I'm going to leave the pellets how they are. Run the output from my reactor right next to the skimmer and skim wetter. See how that goes.
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Posted: January 13 2014 at 9:57pm |
And If I don't see an improvement I'll slowly decrease pellets.
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Posted: January 13 2014 at 10:42pm |
To kick start the algae if there is nutrients in the water you can add some iron. Most likely the carbon is pulling it all out of the water. Kent marine essential elements or test with the red sea kits and dose their supplements.
http://www.marinedepot.com/Kent_Marine_Essential_Elements_Coral_Trace_Element_Additives_Supplements-Kent_Marine-KM3271-FIADTECS-vi.html
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Posted: January 14 2014 at 7:51am |
Last night I plumbed my output of the reactor right next to the skimmer input. I am skimmimg much wetter now, I reduced the flow of the reactor and went from 80% to 60% with the required pellets. Thinking about it a little more, when I increased the pellets, I did have to turn the reactor up a bit to get them to tumble.
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Posted: January 14 2014 at 11:20am |
Sounds like a good plan, good luck.
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Posted: January 14 2014 at 9:46pm |
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I'd go with it's a bacteria bloom. Again...I'm not familiar with biopellets, but I'd suggest cutting back on your carbon source. |
I agree. It is bacteria and reducing the carbon source will allow it to die back. Carbon is bacteria food. Dosing carbon via pellets, sugar, vinegar or vodka increases the amount of bacteria to eat pollution. Since there is relatively little bioload creating relatively little pollution in this tank, an overgrowth of bacteria is the result of the excess carbon. Aloha, Mark
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Posted: January 14 2014 at 10:06pm |
Mark Peterson wrote:
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I'd go with it's a bacteria bloom. Again...I'm not familiar with biopellets, but I'd suggest cutting back on your carbon source. | I agree. It is bacteria and reducing the carbon source will allow it to die back. Carbon is bacteria food. Dosing carbon via pellets, sugar, vinegar or vodka increases the amount of bacteria to eat pollution. Since there is relatively little bioload creating relatively little pollution in this tank, an overgrowth of bacteria is the result of the excess carbon.
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Someone on here mentioned carbon dossing and it immediately made me remember that I basically increased the bio pellets by over a 100%. I'm almost positive that is what happened. I reduced 20% of them last night and will reduce another 20% in a week. I plumbed the output of my reactor directly to my skimmer and I am skimming pretty wet right now as well.
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Posted: January 19 2014 at 8:03pm |
So does anyone actually know how to get rid of this stuff? I'm doing basic water changes, reduce lighting, lighter feedings, etc.
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Posted: January 19 2014 at 9:26pm |
It'll take a while for it to starve off... I'd give it about a month.
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Posted: January 20 2014 at 3:59pm |
Yes it will take time. Lighter feedings are good because it will mean less pollution to feed the bacteria. I believe that if water changes are curtailed for a while it will help starve the bacteria. New salt water has all kinds of nutrients/food. I believe reduced lighting will actually benefit the bacterial slime. Reduced lighting curtails algae growth. Algae is one of the major pollution eaters. Slowed algae growth makes more pollution available to grow the bacterial slime. There is logic here. It's the interplay of biological processes. So what this means is that an increased photoperiod will then grow more algae, reducing the pollution and starving the bacteria that much faster. I don't describe things too well. I hope this is making sense? Aloha, Mark
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Posted: January 20 2014 at 4:15pm |
My only issue here is there is hardly any algae in the display tank. It's all that "clear fur" on the rocks. My refugium was very full and now I have about 1/4 of what I had started with, but the good news is, since I plumbed my output of the reactor to my skimmer, reduced pellets and reactor flow, the macro algae stopped dying off.
Anyone else have an opinion on Mark's suggestions? I'm willing to try that. I literally just adjusted my lights this morning. Which, by the way is a PAIN IN THE REAR if you don't have Reef Link or Fusion Beta yet like me. ha
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Posted: January 20 2014 at 4:31pm |
It depends... If it is a photosynthetic bacteria (see if it is worse on the brightly lit rocks versus dimly light rocks...keep in mind that more detritus settles on the tops of rocks, which will also fuel it), reducing the light period will affect the algae and bacteria. If it's not, then the bacteria may increase while the algae decreases.
I would keep doing water changes since I assume you're still going to feed the tank somewhat. That means you're adding nutrients... Even if you don't do water changes, you're still removing water through skimming (which has to be replaced with saltwater anyway).
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Posted: January 20 2014 at 4:36pm |
Thanks guys. I'm so annoyed at myself for even trying these pellets. I'm debating on just going back to GFO/Carbon. I'll give it another couple months and see what happens. Live and learn!
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Posted: January 20 2014 at 5:22pm |
Are you not running any carbon? If not I'd run some as it may help. Biopellets are not a replacement for carbon and GFO.
Their main function is to control Nitrates. Some people have luck dosing some beneficial bacteria ( MB7, Zeobak etc) to out compete the nuisance bacteria. My bet is that it will go away on its own with what you have been doing .
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