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Topic: 300 gallon stock tank Posted: February 18 2014 at 10:13pm |
started the simple plumbing today
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 7:37am |
Are you sitting down? You posted this publicly so I assume you are ready for critique, right? That corrugated RV pipe is going to terribly slow the flow from that powerhead and the custom "U" tube is going to break its siphon almost immediately. I work for frags, if you would like me to come consult on this project. Aloha, Mark
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 11:15am |
don't have any frags to hand out, but i do have an urchin or two, I'll be home all day.
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 8:37pm |
the system has been running for two hours now . . . fingers crossed. the level of the refugium goes up and down 2 inches as it gets to the higher part it chugs water through the siphon fast taking it to the bottom of the pipe fills up again and then redoes it, if I added a "U" joint to the top side would it stop that?
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 10:00pm |
What is this for? Any details on your goals with this set up? Is there a display tank? Is this going to be a frag tank? Give us some more details.....EDIT, found your other thread, ray pond, makes more sense now.
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 10:52pm |
simpleyork wrote:
the level of the refugium goes up and down 2 inches as it gets to the higher part it chugs water through the siphon fast taking it to the bottom of the pipe fills up again and then redoes it,
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I would keep that! I do the same thing on big tanks as a surge for water flow.
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 11:02pm |
so it will keep the siphon even getting close to the edge of the pipe? if so great, just don't want to be converting my whole basement into a pond. lol
the refugium will be in the long future holding dwarf sea horses and a few other odds and ends, while the main tank will have rays, and what ever ends up getting too big for my 40 gallon breeder. wish my french grunts had made it but oh well next time, they are such neat schooling fish. I'm also thinking of installing track lights in the the basement and having a few ecoxotic par38 led bulb's in them facing the pond so I can grow caulerpa in the pond as well.
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Posted: February 20 2014 at 7:03am |
Ahh yes. It's acting as a Carlson Surge Device. It still worries me though. Have you experimented/tested the system by breaking the siphon to see how much water gets pumped out of the tub and up into the 40 gal? Does it overflow the 40? If it comes close to overflowing, the return powerhead will need to be raised higher or placed inside a skimmer box. Aloha, Mark
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Posted: February 20 2014 at 7:25am |
ran all night but I do agree that i need to tincker with it a bit more to get a more desired result
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Posted: February 20 2014 at 8:15am |
I would put in an extra overflow for the unforeseen chance that one fails.
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Posted: February 20 2014 at 9:01am |
That is an excellent idea
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Posted: February 20 2014 at 9:54am |
Another overflow, set to come into play in case the water level rose would require more stuff alongside the surge. I've used a surge device, seen Adam's various devices/dump buckets and the big ones at MSM locally and at Waikiki. My opinion is that they aren't all that necessary. Plus, they are NOISY. The Poormans Wavemaker is much simpler and better IMHO. Of course, it depends on what simpleyork wants to do in the long run. To keep Seahorses, the suction at the siphon intake needs to be diffused/spread out over a large area. To keep the upper tank water level from fluctuating the surge will need to be forgone. To make the siphon dependable requires one of three options: - raise the siphon output to the elevation of the water level in the upper tank, - use a standard overflow box, or - use a connected water reservoir with a standpipe drain leading to the lower tank. I hope to be able to vist soon. An Urchin is good substitute for a frag. Aloha, Mark
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Posted: February 20 2014 at 1:08pm |
my tinkering has led to this, it has stayed steady level so far, though for a back up maybe drill the tank?
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Posted: February 20 2014 at 6:40pm |
That's it, in principle. That's a good first draft design
I have an overflow box.
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Posted: February 20 2014 at 9:56pm |
Basement flooded while at work . . . try again tomorrow. Fortunately I had the pump near the surface so it was very little. Under the caring voicement of my wife I will now be taking the 40 gallon out of the picture and pumping the water into a hang over box with carbon so there is no way that I will have another oopsy. lol
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Posted: February 23 2014 at 10:40am |
I like it better. That design should work well and has very low risk of clogging. What's the dust storm from? New sand that needed more rinsing? If Utah sand is not rinsed thoroughly so that the end rinse water is somewhat clear with a milky white appearance (fine Calcium) it will then require time to clear. A slight tan bubbly scum on the water surface is an indication of Utah Sand that has not been rinsed enough. Add as much Chaeto as possible under bright light to avoid high N compounds/pollution cycle. Thanks for the Urchin and the Sargassum. The urchin has gone right to work, eating what I hoped it would eat. In order to grow well, Sargassum needs direct sunlight or to be directly under a bright light. The 40 breeder and the rustic stand look awesome in person. I hope you will be on the Reef Tour. Aloha, Mark
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Posted: February 23 2014 at 1:15pm |
the dust storm is from all the new sand I placed in it Saturday evening, I rinsed till the water looked clearish but I think the power heads are stirring it up too much , may turn them off for a few days
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Posted: February 23 2014 at 2:37pm |
Looking cool
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Posted: February 23 2014 at 6:14pm |
Ahh, yes of course. High flow will easily stir new Oolitic Sand. I usually cover it with a thin layer of larger particle sand and a deeper layer in areas where it is blowing the worst. LR rubble, spread 3-4" around the powerhead on the sand keeps it from being picked up by the suction. In time a bacterial film and the growth of worm tunnels will hold it together quite well. Thinking about your setup, to protect the Rays tails from being sucked in, I might place 4-6 tall pieces of LR or clean Utah Rock strategically around the powerheads on the sand with space between them for incoming water channels. Next thing I would do is to get a large basketball sized clump of Chaeto and light it really good 24/7 from now until after the first Ray gets introduced. Although it is a risk to add a large fish too soon, it is possible if sufficient Macroalgae and LR are used sooner rather than later. Adding a bottle of start-up bacteria is also a good idea. Aloha, Mark
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