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Topic: Corals Dying Posted: March 29 2014 at 4:28pm |
Recently, my acans seemed to die and appeared to melt. My SPS all died too. Now, one of my torch corals is doing the same thing. All of my perimeters are good. Any suggestions on what to do or maybe the cause of this problem?
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 5:30pm |
Do you know for sure that your hydrometer/refractometer is reading correctly and doesn't need to be recalibrated?
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 5:37pm |
What are your water parameters? That seems a broad range or coral to be effected by much other than water or light.
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 6:04pm |
What kind of light? What are your levels at? How old is the tank?
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 6:55pm |
Sorry to read of the loss of so much coral.
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All of my perimeters are good. |
If we are to help, we need more than this, specifically we need to know the big four parameters: Salinity (as already requested) Temperature Alkalinity Calcium Also, did something get in the water? For example, a cleaning chemical, a penny, a childs toy, etc. Did something in the tank die? Are the fish okay? Do a large water change and call me for help. Aloha, Mark 808-345-1049 call/text/visit anytime
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 9:36pm |
The tank is four months old and is the Red Sea Max S-500. I switched from the Red Sea Max 250 to this new one. I've been in the hobby for several years and haven't seen any my corals die in such a short time. It has the 10 T5s and my hydrometer is only a few months old. All of the fish are doing well and I did a 25% water change two weeks ago. I have a UV sterilizer on the tank. A month ago, I battled Ich in the tank, but no signs of it in the past few weeks. I used the Fish Vet Ich medicine and everything seemed okay when using it. Now, after the last water change seems to be when the problem started occurring. Temp 82 degrees Salinity 1.023 Alkalinity 2.5/7.0 Calcium 330 Magnesium 1000
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 9:52pm |
Your parameters are all pushing edges
Temp should be 80 82 is okay but pushing edges Salinity should be 1.024-1.026 Alk should be 7 at the lowest 8 gives you room of error Magnesium should be around 1300 Calcium should be around 415
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 9:53pm |
Maybe copper got into your system? Or as mark said a cleaner or something maybe in the bucket you ised
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 9:59pm |
One other interesting thing is my fungi went from green to real light green almost white color, but seems to be doing fine. I have duncans, zoos, torch corals, clam, coco worm, and other LPS are doing fine. I haven't used anything that has copper so, this is still strange to me. My levels in the tank are such as calcium, alkalinity, magnesium and ph are usually higher. I always test my tank on sundays to see what/how much of the additives I need to add.
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 10:10pm |
But maybe your carbon might have had some... have heard of a few batches that have had copper
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 10:43pm |
If your levels are usually higher and your temp a few degrees lower than I wonder what made them change this week. Have you made any recent changes? New media? New equipment? As BadFinger said, your levels are borderline. Things would turn bad slowly with borderline levels in my opinion. Rather than trying to bring your levels up with dosing I would do a 50% water change and lower the temp to 78. Keep us posted.
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 10:49pm |
I shut my heater off last week and my tank seems to maintain itself between 80-82 with it off. I will do a water change tomorrow and get my parameters back up to where they belong. Thanks for all of the help!
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 1:53pm |
I would still check the refractometer. I recalibrate mine every month. Usually it is fine but every one in a while it isn't.
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 11:33pm |
Boston wrote:
hydrometer is only a few months old. |
Unfortunately that does not give us any indication of its accuracy. New Hydrometers need to be checked/calibrated against a known salinity. If turning off (unplugging?)the heater resulted in temperatures at 80-82, what was the afternoon temperature with the heater on and for how long was it that way? I agree that temp is too high while every other parameter is too low. Several variables can combine to cause problems that would not have happened if only one variable went off. After a few months with these levels at or weekly falling to those values, it wouldn't take much of a single variable change like a short rise over 82 degrees to start the domino effect of corals passing away. As they die the N pollution rises, giving way to further stress and death by increased Ammonia and Nitrate. Unfortunately, without more details, all we can offer is conjecture. A pic of the tank may help. Here is my opinion about these parameters: Salinity is best at 1.024-1.026 Temperature is best, and safest, at 75-78 but can be anywhere between 70-80 without any problems Alk should be kept at 8-12 dKH, preferably close to 10 Ca should be kept at 350-500, preferably close to 450 Mg 1200-1400 Daytime pH is okay between 8.0 and 8.4 Nighttime pH is best if kept above 7.80 As I am writing this, some things come to mind. Just throwing out possibilities to see where they land: - pH problems? What is the water flow in this tank and in what direction or was there a power outage? - Any new product is suspect, even if it is reef safe. - Any change in procedure is suspect. - Did the coral start dieing all at once or was it a cascade of one type and then another? - I've seen medications work differently in different tanks and frankly I don't trust a medication that claims to kill one invertebrate yet causes no harm to other invertebrates. (Garlic Oil works very well for me. It is a natural Ich inhibitor.) - If things went south after a water change then I would wonder if something got into the bucket when I wasn't looking. - Was it a completely new salt mix? Problems with not gradually acclimating to a new salt mix have caused coral deaths. My 2 cents. Aloha, Mark
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 11:58pm |
Check your thermometer.. it could be broken
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Posted: March 31 2014 at 7:58am |
phys wrote:
Check your thermometer.. it could be broken | Yes, that's a simple first test and that high of a temp without supplemental heating seems strange unless you have a lot of metal halide lighting.
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Posted: March 31 2014 at 8:45am |
Easiest way to check is to dunk it in a glass of crushed ice with enough water to cover the ice. The thermometer should read very close to 32*F. (It amazes me how many people don't do this.)
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Posted: March 31 2014 at 9:29am |
Good call Paul.
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Posted: March 31 2014 at 10:51pm |
My tank stays at 80 degrees with the lights off at night, but will be 82.4 during the day with the 10 T5s on. I've heard SPS has a tough time with temps over 81 degrees. I'm looking at buying a chiller to get it down to 78 degrees. It seems a few other people with the Red Sea Max S 500 had to add a chiller too. All of my other corals seem to be thriving.
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Posted: March 31 2014 at 11:39pm |
If you don't have a fan on your sump you could add one. Cheaper than a chiller.
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