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    Posted: July 19 2014 at 3:02pm
I have had my tank up and running for over 2 years, some of my fish are 5 years old and rock solid.  We lost a Whitecheek tang that we had a month.  We had some issues with our pump and it took a few days to get fixed so I thought the changes stressed him out and he died. 

I am in the process of losing my Bullseye Jawfish, we saw him out of his hole this morning sucking air at the top, he is alive but barely.  His eyes are huge and bugged out.  They look like they would burst.  I chalked it up to the stress of pump failure. 

Looking at my tank again today in full light I notice about 2/3rds of my fish appear almost speckled or power coated.  Not sure if it's velvet or ich, doesn't quite look like either (from checking out pictures online).  My sailfin tang I have had for 4.5 years and weathered all storms now looks bad, eyes are starting to bulge and his fins almost look like they are decomposing. 

My first fish ever my Tangerine Clown kinda has the dusted look as well and it appears that a fish or something took a huge bite out of him behind the dorsal fin (has that decomposing look).  My midnight angel and even wrasses all have varying color changes.  Not all fish are effected but this looks to be spreading. I am not sure what it is.  I did notice for last two weeks my Cleaner Wrasse has been working overtime picking off of fish and they were letting him. 

I am not getting really good pictures at this time. 

When we first got the pump back on we noticed a lot of debris came out of the piping, we did a water change, added fresh carbon and even bought filter socks to try to help that out.  I will test other levels but wanted to see if any one had any insights.  I am completely freaked out at losing my tank and these fish that have meant so much.  Sorry this is so wordy, I wanted to get as much detail in as I could.

Any help is appreciated. 

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It sounds like either Brooklynella or Uronema based on the symptoms. I'm almost leaning towards Uronema based on the "something took a huge bite out of him" comment.

I don't have time to post more right now, but I hope that gets you on the right track.
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Looking up uronema seems that may be what it is. Two fish look almost like they are decomposing. One the clown is still ok but the sailfin isn't long for this world. Thx. Will see what I can find online.
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Geez that sucks.


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My thoughts... unfortunately many of the fish are toast.  I think you can do the massive catch and QT, but I think the vast majority of people would try to wait it out.

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Yeah I can tell a few are gone in the next two days. My midnight and two trigger appear healthy but have the dusting on them. The triggers tail looks a bit beat up but not bad. My other angel and wrasses and hawk and bar gobies look ok. Working to get some meds in case and get a qt tank going.
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Sorry...only have a second again...

Uronema is in probably every tank. It can live on anything and everything. I think a series of freshwater dips usually will knock it out, but uronema doesn't require a fish. So, you'll always be susceptible. Fish just succumb when they are stressed.

If you can easily catch them, pull them out and get them into a freshwater dip then QT until your tank is steady again.

Double check everything I just said online...I'm on my phone and am going off my best memory.....
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Thx. I got a 30 g tank I picked up. Will try pulling out the sicker looking fish. Run hypo salinity and see how they do. Will just have to keep an eye out. Hoping I am able to resolve. Thanks for everyone's help.
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I'm curious...why hyposalinity?
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That was a recommendation given. Never had to do this level of care so don't have too much experience.
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Nikki if it is uronema will I ever be able to solve? Will I have to bleach tank and start over? If it's in there with coral and everything else not sure if I can even use the coral again. Hoping for a resolution but seeing other people who have had to start over.
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If I recall, there aren't any studies backing hypo for uronema. I think formalin and freshwater baths are the main techniques. Hypo can be useful to lessen the stress level and help them fight the infection, but it is no cure. A single freshwater dip should take care of most of the infection...then just follow up with a couple more dips to be sure.

Uronema can feed on just about anything, so I bet all of us have it in our tanks. It rarely goes after fish...only in severe cases of stress, which you mentioned you had. If you treat your fish, I'd leave them in QT for 6-8 weeks and let your display run fallow. That will allow your main tank time to recover (keep feeding the empty tank the same amount to maintain your biological system.) It'll also kill off any ich, velvet, and other nasties. Then just reintroduce your fish one at a time.

Sorry I haven't been more help today. I've been crazy busy.
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You have been great help. 

What is your thoughts on freshwater dips?  How long?

I called a few LFS today and the fact the person answer phone had to ask me what it was not sure my luck in finding it.  I may try online if I can't find local. 

Thanks again!
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I forget how long to dip for uronema, but I'd go 15 minutes then get them into a bath with Furan2 and Kanaplex if you can find it )which I'm betting I'm probably the only one who has it...although try Fish4U.) Then go into hyposalinity with the antibiotics. If I remember correctly, dip every 3 days 4 times.

What were you trying to find that no one knew what it was?
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Formulin. Forgot to type it.
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Formalin works, but you stand to kill your fish with it instead of curing them. I rarely use it due to the risks.
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5 hours later we got half the fish out. Pretty much destroyed any aquascaping. We left in the fish that looked the best. Sure we stressed everyone out.
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Ugh, sorry to hear that. That's no way to spend a Saturday night.
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Fish4U doesn't carry formalin. The only thing they had was rid ich plus
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Been there done that. Sucks bad. Sorry you have to go through this.
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