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    Posted: August 25 2014 at 3:26pm
Do you use any of the food on the market for corals?  Do you hand feed them or place the food in the water supply?  Are you noticing a difference in growth rates or coloration that you think you can attribute to the food?
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I make my own, hand feed, and it's a huge difference in sick corals. It helps a little bit in healthy corals (most corals get about 95% of their energy from zooxanthallae, not actual food.)

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So no one is trying any of those rather expensive coral foods that are being marketed to add color and size to corals?  I'm wondering if any of them are worth the money. 
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I use Fauna Marin LPS food
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Originally posted by willstang willstang wrote:

I use Fauna Marin LPS food


I just found a time lapse youtube video of someone using that food to feed LPS corals!  Great video!



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It seems good to feed at night when they are out looking for food.
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I've tried some of the fancy ones, and in my unofficial and nonscientific studies, most corals vastly preferred my food.
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I don't feed any coral directly. I feed the ~75 fish 1x/day in my ~200 gal system. Just for comparison, that food contains minute particles of BSD New Wave Arctic Copepods, Rotifers and Roe. Bob Carlson's newest food and Emerald Entree also go into the mix. The GSL and BSD Brine and Mysis contain broken up pieces which feed invertebrates. Lastly there is a spoonful of BSD Tahitian Blend Algae Paste in many feedings. The food is not drained because I believe the "juice" is absorbed by the coral. I have seen Coral eat fish poop. Coral absorb nutrients like fish pee and other N compounds from the water, right?
Originally posted by ReefdUp ReefdUp wrote:

most corals get about 95% of their energy from zooxanthallae, not actual food.
If 5% of coral energy comes from captured food, and a coral gets 12 hours of light, does that equate to needing 0.6 hour of eating food(12 hours x 5%)Question How much captured food does it take to give a coral 5% of it's energyQuestion

Who has seen videos of the wild reef at night when the water is murky with swimming invertebrates and their spawn? In a well fed and not so "clean" more biologically active reef aquarium, there should be a good amount of worm and bug spawning going on at night which I believe feeds coral. As sunset approaches the LPS hydrate/expand and extend their feeding tentacles to capture and eat this spawn all night.

Below is a pic of a coral, a rescued Pearl Bubble Coral in one of my old tanks, in the middle of the night when it's feeding tentacles were out. The next 2 pics are of the same coral about 6 months later, shortly after dusk and again during the day. It remained hydrated/extended more than many LPS.

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(The orange rock is Southern Utah sandstone beginning to cover with Coralline Algae. The camera flash made it look more orange than pink. The extensive growth of Saw Blade Caulerpa was eventually completely eaten by the fish.)




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Originally posted by ReefdUp ReefdUp wrote:

I've tried some of the fancy ones, and in my unofficial and nonscientific studies, most corals vastly preferred my food.


Niki what is your recipe? Is it on your site?
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Originally posted by ReefdUp ReefdUp wrote:

I make my own, hand feed, and it's a huge difference in sick corals. It helps a little bit in healthy corals (most corals get about 95% of their energy from zooxanthallae, not actual food.)


+1 Zoox provide 95% of the calories to a healthy coral. Nikki is one of the best sources around for coral healh.

I make my own food as well.

I blend high qualty pellets and flakes ( brine shrimp direct ) into a powder using a coffee grinder, then add RO water, brine shrimp, mysis, rotifers, squid, diced clams, fish eggs etc, and throw it in the ninja blender until everything is blended to a very fine level.

I put it in ziploc bags and freeze it in flat sheets. I break off a very small piece ( .5"x.5" ), mix it with tank water, then use a turkey baster to feed corals directly. I turn off flow and let the food drop onto the corals. I turn back on the powerheads 5 minutes later, then the pump 20 minutes after that. 

I feed bi-monthly unless a coral is recovering. For recovering corals I feed twice a week. Anything more than that is un-necessary in my opinion, and has the potential to pollute the water. 

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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

If 5% of coral energy comes from captured food, and a coral gets 12 hours of light, does that equate to needing 0.6 hour of eating food(12 hours x 5%). How much captured food does it take to give a coral 5% of it's energy


It's not an if. There are numerous studies confirming this.

And it doesn't equate that way. 95% of the caloric intake of corals is handled by zoox in a normal light cycle ( sunrise/sunset photo-periods found in nature )

They don't need .6 hours of eating food. The amount of calories a coral needs to grow and flourish depends on species. It definitely doesn't take .6 hours of eating food every day to provide the additional 5% of calories needed for optimal coral health. Meaty foods are calorie dense in comparison to the calories provided by zooxanthellae. Please don't feed your corals for 36 minutes a day.

Each species of coral is different, and has different requirements. Ultimately good husbandry comes down to knowing what is in your tank and what it's needs are. Success comes when we study each species in our tank to better provide for it's dietary needs.

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Oh god...here we go again. Wonder how long this thread is going to end up being? :)
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Originally posted by beege29 beege29 wrote:

Oh god...here we go again. Wonder how long this thread is going to end up being? :)


LOL

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That was good! And to stay on topic mine get fed once a week alternating between things like oyster eggs, brine, mysis, roe, plankton, depending on the coral. I've never tried any commercial foods never seen a need to.
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Originally posted by relethg relethg wrote:

Niki what is your recipe? Is it on your site?


Here's the link on my site:

http://www.reefdup.com/2012/01/08/rescuing-dying-corals-feeding/

I keep the "pappone" recipe as the base, then I add whatever is lying around. My latest batch is this:

Ingredients:

Garlic (organic, out of my garden)
Raw shrimp
Raw mussels
Raw oysters
Raw clams
Raw snow crab (fish eat better than I do...)
Red algae
Green Algae
Brown Algae
Mysis shrimp
Artic copepods
BSD Golden Pearls (various micron sizes)
BSD Astaxanthin (increases pigmentation)
Dash of sugar (bacterial food)
Dash of buffered Vitamin C (great for tons of stuff, esp. zoanthids)
Pacific Krill
Cyclopeeze
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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

If 5% of coral energy comes from captured food, and a coral gets 12 hours of light, does that equate to needing 0.6 hour of eating food(12 hours x 5%) How much captured food does it take to give a coral 5% of it's energy


What?! No. First off, corals hit photoinhibition/photosaturation usually well before 12 hours. Second, the amount of energy obtained varies depending on the light quality and quantity. Dusk is not equivalent to noon light. Third, not all food is created equal. If you ate for 0.6 hours of nonstop salad or burgers, which do you think would have the larger impact to your waist? It's an energy percentage, not a time percentage.
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LOL I figured that little "what if" would raise a few eyebrows. Wink
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