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    Posted: February 12 2015 at 10:25pm
I recently picked up a "Reverse Candy Apple" Scoly from WWC that has been fragged and I was curious to see if anybody has an idea as to how long it will take for it to regain it's outer rim where it was cut?


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I have read about a year which is why they are rarely fragged combined with what I understand is a high mortality rate. Just google it, lots of posts of people "experimenting" with this, most do not seem to return to a round shape.
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I have had a few severely damaged scolys that might as well have been fragged. They all took about a year to regain a circular shape.
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Did they tell you it had been fragged? For the most part you really can't frag a scoly. I am guessing the scoly had been stung or was diseased and someone cut it back. It should grow back under decent tank conditions. I have one that had a small receded portion on it when I bought it and it is growing back. It takes time.
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Interesting. I just assumed it was fragged due to the shape and the location of the mouth. I've only ever heard of people fragging scoly's for grafting purposes.

I assume it's circular skeletal structure would almost need to be there for it to regain the shape. Correct?
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I've seen quite a few fragged scolys. They aren't too bad to frag. It's Acanthophyllia that are bad.
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Originally posted by ReefdUp ReefdUp wrote:

I've seen quite a few fragged scolys. They aren't too bad to frag. It's Acanthophyllia that are bad.


I've read they can't be fragged. Dang the bs out there in this hobby is amazzing. So when they frag a scoly do they have to get a section of the mouth for it to work?
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Originally posted by neurotivity neurotivity wrote:

Interesting. I just assumed it was fragged due to the shape and the location of the mouth. I've only ever heard of people fragging scoly's for grafting purposes.

I assume it's circular skeletal structure would almost need to be there for it to regain the shape. Correct?


Well according to reedup above she has seen fragged scolys. I would think that they would end up round again since that seems to be their natural growth pattern but don't know for sure. Its funny i have read such contradicting info but i completely trust reedup's response. I have even read a couple of detailed articles about scolys and how you cannot frag them BUT that if a scoly appears to have died in your tank to leave the skeleton in the tank because the skeleton might produce babies and might continue to do so. Now i wonder if that is alsp BS.

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They can be fragged but do take a very long time to heal and grow out. One of the newer trends is grafting scoly's Here are some pictures I borrowed from google images of some grafted ones.





There were some at the Reef Fest this year with 4 different colors grafted together like pies.
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All of the grafted ones I've seen long term just turn into separate attched scolys. They never (IME) uptake the zooxanthallae of each other or truly become "one" with each other. That process usually takes about 4 years though.

I would buy a fragged scoly. Wouldn't buy a "grafted" one because they aren't true grafts.
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The grated ones are very unattractive to me. We alll have our own tastes!
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Here is a good thread on it (http://www.reef2reef.com/forums/unique-corals/133327-experiment-worked.html) not sure if links are allowed so mods remove or let me know and I will if needed. Page three has some updated shots. Personally I would never do it to a perfectly good/healthy scoly but I could see doing it to a damaged one/sick one to try to save it.
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I try not to inundate you all with my blog, but here's a Scoly I rescued to show its recovery over a year:

http://www.reefdup.com/2013/02/17/rescuing-dying-corals-scolymia/
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Neat articles! @ReefdUp, I'm quite impressed, I wouldn't have ever thought that your success in rescuing the scoly would've been possible upon seeing it!
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Aw, thanks! You just made my night!
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Originally posted by ReefdUp ReefdUp wrote:

Aw, thanks! You just made my night!

Upon reading your article, I happened to use your triple dip recovery method on a rainbow blasto frag which was melting/detaching from the skeleton. I'm completely shocked with how much the blastos have recovered already. I can honestly say that they're more inflated now and look significantly healthier than they were once I first got them.

Thanks again for sharing your article! I'm beyond ecstatic that the blastos which I initially thought were undoubtedly going to perish, are now on their road to recovery.
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Yaaaaaaay!!!! Fantastic! I'd love to see photos if you have any. There's a monstrous thread on Reef Central where everyone posts their rescues too.
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