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    Posted: April 15 2016 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by bstuver bstuver wrote:

I'm not on the same page as Mark either I get what he's saying because there is a ton of live stuff in our rocks but I wouldn't go as far as to feel bad for it. However I would agree that peppermint shrimp are an excellent way to help rid a tank of aiptasia. My other concern would also be that I am doubting that one little aiptasia killed your duncan. I have two different duncans and they pack a pretty good punch themselves killing anything around them. I guess it could have irritated it to it's death but I am guessing seems it was one of the first corals you had that maybe it just slowly declined, a coral can go really fast or it can take weeks to months to slowly die off. Hopefully things are getting better with more flow and tank maturity. Did you start out with all live rock?

Yeah i started with all live rock. On the Duncans you could see where the Aiptasia had stung it at the base and it had eaten away the base of it. This was one of the healthiest corals in my tank. 
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I agree with Jackie. I agree with all of you. After I posted that I had second thoughts, but it was too late and I got distracted. I woke up this morning to see if I could take back my words, but dang, my strong opinions have gotten me into trouble once again. Ouch

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I'm not on the same page as Mark either I get what he's saying because there is a ton of live stuff in our rocks but I wouldn't go as far as to feel bad for it. However I would agree that peppermint shrimp are an excellent way to help rid a tank of aiptasia. My other concern would also be that I am doubting that one little aiptasia killed your duncan. I have two different duncans and they pack a pretty good punch themselves killing anything around them. I guess it could have irritated it to it's death but I am guessing seems it was one of the first corals you had that maybe it just slowly declined, a coral can go really fast or it can take weeks to months to slowly die off. Hopefully things are getting better with more flow and tank maturity. Did you start out with all live rock?
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Originally posted by Churchtown Churchtown wrote:

I get that your trying to help the guy out, but maybe he just wanted the satisfaction of killing something that pissed him off. The "rocks are people too" is a bit much.

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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

The rock was boiled Dead

I get what your saying, But that rock came from a different tank that i just didn't trust. But i'm with Churchtown on this one. Sometimes it just makes you feel better to take care of something using drastic measures. 

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Originally posted by bstuver bstuver wrote:

Yeah if you were just using the pump that it came with you definitely needed more flow.

Well i had that i hydor with it too. But those things suck. 
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I get that your trying to help the guy out, but maybe he just wanted the satisfaction of killing something that pissed him off. The "rocks are people too" is a bit much.
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The rock was boiled Dead

Are you aware of the wonderful benefit of Peppermint Shrimp? They eat Aiptasia and then, even though the Aiptasia are completely eliminated, the shrimp remain perfect tankmates.

Please forgive me but I feel that I must say something. Another person returned here to the forum recently after being away from the hobby, saying that they bought an existing tank and had already set all the rock out to dry, specifically to kill Aiptasia. I held my tongue on that one, mostly because it was too late, the deed was done. In this case, because you have been receptive to other advice and because only one rock was killed, I thought it might be good to offer this little tip about Peppermint Shrimp. I believe I posted a thread of the discussion regarding Aiptasia and Peppermint Shrimp in the Reefkeeping Tips, ...Yes, it's there. Please take a moment to read it.

I don't know if this makes sense to anyone, but I consider Live Rock just the same as a live coral or a fish. It makes me hurt when I hear these reports about killing LR. In the very moment, it may not come to mind that we have an answer here, but I sure do appreciate the hobbyists that do ask before taking action. I post my phone number often and it's also posted in the Reefkeeping Tips. I am always willing to answer a phone call/text to help out right on the spot when possible.

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Yeah if you were just using the pump that it came with you definitely needed more flow.
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Here is the picture of the Spongodes as it sits now, Last week, all but that top section was white. So it's slowly coming back. I agree with you jackie about the newness of the tank. But i think it was a combination of the two things. I had never seen polyps on this thing at all until 2 days after i had changed the flow. And this is defiantly not the only coral I've noticed a change in since. My Acan's are doing a lot better as are my Candy Canes. I'll post another pic of this same shot in a few weeks and hopefully they'll be some more noticeable progression. 

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Originally posted by bstuver bstuver wrote:

I'm sure the flow probably helped but it probably also helps that your tank is a bit older now as well. I have the exact same tank as you know and it's chalk full of coral from the beginning as I moved all my stuff from my larger tank. I was only using my return pump for flow while I had all my SPS and they all looked amazing I only sold most of it as it's not my favorite because I like the movement LPS provides. I added my powerhead which is the same as yours an RW-4 to the tank only because I have so many large colonies I was getting some algae I didn't like in certain places and felt it needed more flow. I'm not sure which return pump you went with and maybe mine is a lot more powerful but I wouldn't attribute it just to more water movement, it helps yes but I am sure as your tank matures things will get a lot better and easier to keep.

I am just using the return pump that came with the tank. It's pretty weak. it basically just pumps in clean water and thats about it. Smile


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I'm sure the flow probably helped but it probably also helps that your tank is a bit older now as well. I have the exact same tank as you know and it's chalk full of coral from the beginning as I moved all my stuff from my larger tank. I was only using my return pump for flow while I had all my SPS and they all looked amazing I only sold most of it as it's not my favorite because I like the movement LPS provides. I added my powerhead which is the same as yours an RW-4 to the tank only because I have so many large colonies I was getting some algae I didn't like in certain places and felt it needed more flow. I'm not sure which return pump you went with and maybe mine is a lot more powerful but I wouldn't attribute it just to more water movement, it helps yes but I am sure as your tank matures things will get a lot better and easier to keep.
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Quick update, i thought that i would post this just in case other have the same problems:

I'll post some pics here in a few weeks once i get everything back in order. I have a had a few issues lately. But this is all a learning process for me.

The Bad News: The awesome Duncans that are pictured above have died, It was one of the best corals i had in my tank and was pretty much opened up 24-7 but a few weeks ago it was on a slow decline and i read and researched about it and what i got out of the research was. "They tend to do that and just wait a few weeks and they will recover". But once i was down to 2 heads left that hadn't died yet i saw that right at the base of the duncan was Aiptasia, just a very small piece of it. But you could see where it had stung the base of the duncan and the whole back half of the base had been eaten away. "it was facing away from the front of tank that's why i didnt see it sooner" So the plan was to pull it out the next day and cut off what was still alive and try to save it. But the next morning the other 2 were goners. Moral of the story was "Screw Aiptasia". And since i have boiled the rock and put it back in the sump :(

Good News: I thought the whole time that the reason that i couldn't keep any SPS alive was because of the "new tank stuff" anyways i am sure that the tank being new had a little bit to do with it. But there are 2 guys on here i have to thank for an easy fix. Marcoss & neurotivity. Both of these guys mentioned FLOW as a possible culprit. I had the flow of my return pump along with a Hydor Koralia 850 GPH. The Hydor was placed on the backside of my corner overflow facing up towards the surface. Anyways i tried moving it around to a bunch of different locations with the same results. Which was Dying SPS. i couldn't even keep the Birdsnest alive.
I took out the Hydor and replaced it with a Jebao PP/RW-4. This thing was half the size of the Hydor and i thought there was no way it would help much if any. There was one piece of SPS that hadn't completely died off yet before i installed the RW-4 it's just a small frag of Green Spongodes and i had never even seen the polyps open up on it at all, not even when it was fresh into the tank and the bottom half had died off within a month and was completely white.
So not even 2 days after i installed the new pump, i started seeing the polyps come to life with the Spongodes and it's been a couple of weeks and i can already see it starting to grow and color back up. Anyways if you can't tell i am pretty excited to see that i can actually grow SPS now. :) I will try and post some pics of the Spongodes recovery.

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[QUOTE=Marcoss]As long as they are these hats...

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Looking good!
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Edited by Marcoss - March 21 2016 at 6:03pm
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Looks awesome! I need to get some of those corals you have.
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Thanks man, If it turns out good i'll get us matching hats WinkBig smile
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Looks great man! Excited to see how it develops. 
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