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Posted: May 31 2016 at 5:58pm |
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Haven't ordered any algae yet. Ill wait to get prettier algae until the tank has been up for a little while. Until then I'll steal some grape calurpa and chateo from my 55 until it's more stable. Then it's to the back of the nano chamber for the chateo. Thanks for everyone's help.
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Posted: May 31 2016 at 5:52pm |
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Thanks anyway, I don't socialize with disrespectful people who break rules.
Brandon, did you order any cool macroalgae?
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Posted: May 31 2016 at 12:16pm |
This is getting crazy. I'm betting that neither one of us quite understands why we are continuing this. Wouldn't be like this if we really got to know each other.
Aloha, Mark 
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Posted: May 31 2016 at 9:26am |
 Mark Peterson wrote:
I'm sorry that you feel that way. If you knew me you wouldn't think that. It's why I found Hawaii so healing and because I know I still sometimes come off as offensive, I'm trying to remember to be nicer by saying:<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Aloha,</span> Mark  |
I do know you Mark. From my perspective you were deliberately disrespectful. Your intention was to be snide. You know that, and the others who have seen the way you react when someone disagrees with your statements and methods or has a completely different opinions more than likely know that too. If you actually spent the time to read and retain what I stated earlier in this thread; I never argued against what biological functions macroalgae have. I simply said that I thought water changes and limiting the amount of food that goes into the system would be more productive than macroalgae. Edit: grammar correction
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Posted: May 31 2016 at 7:51am |
I'm sorry that you feel that way. If you knew me you wouldn't think that. It's why I found Hawaii so healing and because I know I still sometimes come off as offensive, I'm trying to remember to be nicer by saying: Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: May 30 2016 at 11:24am |
Mark Peterson wrote:
evan127, I'm sorry. What a fool I am. My intention was to point out the value of algae. I believe I see now how what I said could offend and I'm sorry. Please forgive this old idiot. My wife has tried to teach me, but despite my best intentions, I still mess things up. I believe she might say I'm like like the Grinch when the echo in his cave repeats back to him, "You're an idiot."Â
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Mark</span> |
Please don't patronize me Mark. You knew what you were doing.
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Posted: May 29 2016 at 7:38pm |
evan127, I'm sorry. What a fool I am. My intention was to point out the value of algae. I believe I see now how what I said could offend and I'm sorry. Please forgive this old idiot. My wife has tried to teach me, but despite my best intentions, I still mess things up. I believe she might say I'm like like the Grinch when the echo in his cave repeats back to him, "You're an idiot."
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Posted: May 29 2016 at 9:41am |
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Sweet. Thank ya
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Posted: May 29 2016 at 9:36am |
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Yep! She is bstuver
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Posted: May 29 2016 at 9:35am |
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Is Jackie on this forum?
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Posted: May 29 2016 at 9:28am |
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I'd like some more aesthetically pleasing macro. But I've noticed it doesn't pop up on the forum often. I can always aquire the nice stuff as I go. I appreciate all the input. |
Be sure to take lots of pictures when you get some cool macros! Definitely talk to Jackie! There are a lot of people on Nano Reef that have really cool types of macro algae in their tanks and sumps! Orange, red, purple, every shade of green. Invest in some nice aquatic shears though ;)
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Posted: May 29 2016 at 9:24am |
Mark Peterson wrote:
too often heard or wrote:
...I would not add macroalgae into the display. Especially into such a small display. |
I mean no disrespect, but I showed four(4) examples of many I have done like this. Unfortunately, this is where hobbyists generally miss the boat. But maybe I expect too much. It took me a long while to work this out myself. I suggest we all take another look at algae. Sure, algae can grow fast. Yes, algae can require harvesting, but isn't that the reason we use it? Could that be a reason to use it? Because of the very fact that algae does grow and uptake nutrients/pollution, we<span style="line-height: 16.8px;">Â harvest it and/or add herbivores to harvest it for us.</span>
The pollution of N and P molecules in the water is consumed very effectively by Caulerpa and Chaeto and these algae grow fast or slow in response to the amount of pollution. This is one of the wonderful things about these <span style="line-height: 1.4;">Macroalgae. They work on demand. </span><span style="line-height: 16.8px;">The red algae are lovely but cannot do the same job</span><span style="line-height: 1.4;"> because they require a narrow range of pollution levels. Plus, they are more susceptible to predation, not only by fish, but all kinds of inverts. Eventually the red algae disappear. On the other hand, Caulerpa and Chaeto are not as tasty and they can do well in a wider range of pollution. Remarkably, their growth speeds up or slows down in response to the level of pollution. </span>
It's something of a balancing act using Caulerpa, a small ball of Chaetomorpha and Activated Alumina(AA). <span style="line-height: 1.4;">The amount of AA affects the growth of the algae and the amount of algae growth determines the amount of AA to be used. </span><span style="line-height: 16.8px;">Notice how I said above "just the right amount of AA for just the right amount of PO4 removal." Achieving a balance of PO4 removal by AA while minimizing algae growth is doable. The evidence is in the tanks pictured above.</span> <span style="line-height: 16.8px;">
</span> <span style="line-height: 16.8px;">Aloha,</span> <span style="line-height: 16.8px;">Mark  </span>
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You don't mean to disrespect, yet you change my name in my quote to "too often heard"?
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Posted: May 29 2016 at 8:05am |
I have a fusion 10 gal.
Livestock is: pistol shrimp and goby pair cleaner shrimp 4 rbta's a few heads of euphyllia a few zoas/shrooms
The tank has a IM ghost skimmer. It does a good job as long as the water level is consistent. I manually top off so the skimmer is not always running at optimal efficiency. I do a water change every 8 weeks or so. Other than that I feed and top off once a day.
If your stocking is minimal so will be your maintenance.
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Posted: May 29 2016 at 3:29am |
too often heard or wrote:
...I would not add macroalgae into the display. Especially into such a small display. |
I mean no disrespect, but I showed four(4) examples of many I have done like this. Unfortunately, this is where hobbyists generally miss the boat. But maybe I expect too much. It took me a long while to work this out myself. I suggest we all take another look at algae. Sure, algae can grow fast. Yes, algae can require harvesting, but isn't that the reason we use it? Could that be a reason to use it? Because of the very fact that algae does grow and uptake nutrients/pollution, we harvest it and/or add herbivores to harvest it for us.
The pollution of N and P molecules in the water is consumed very effectively by Caulerpa and Chaeto and these algae grow fast or slow in response to the amount of pollution. This is one of the wonderful things about these Macroalgae. They work on demand. The red algae are lovely but cannot do the same job because they require a narrow range of pollution levels. Plus, they are more susceptible to predation, not only by fish, but all kinds of inverts. Eventually the red algae disappear. On the other hand, Caulerpa and Chaeto are not as tasty and they can do well in a wider range of pollution. Remarkably, their growth speeds up or slows down in response to the level of pollution.
It's something of a balancing act using Caulerpa, a small ball of Chaetomorpha and Activated Alumina(AA). The amount of AA affects the growth of the algae and the amount of algae growth determines the amount of AA to be used. Notice how I said above "just the right amount of AA for just the right amount of PO4 removal." Achieving a balance of PO4 removal by AA while minimizing algae growth is doable. The evidence is in the tanks pictured above.
Aloha, Mark
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Posted: May 29 2016 at 12:00am |
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Here's who I got it from she has a couple for sale threads:
http://www.nano-reef.com/topic/373289-fs-display-macros-ochtodes-string-of-pearls-violet-flame-more/
http://www.nano-reef.com/topic/373367-fs-macro-algae-grab-bags/
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Posted: May 28 2016 at 11:17pm |
I got all this for $50 
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Jackie Stuver
"wait these aren't the happy Hawaiians oompa doompa godly heaven on your face zoas? I dont want them then. lol!" Ksmart
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Posted: May 28 2016 at 10:16pm |
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I've had bad experiences myself with reefs2go. I'll probably get in touch bstuver. How much ya spend on the macro pack?
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Posted: May 28 2016 at 10:03pm |
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If you go on nano-reefs forum there are usually people who sell a lot of cool macros. I got a nice pack from there about a month ago. When you get to that point I can let you know who I got mine from if interested
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"wait these aren't the happy Hawaiians oompa doompa godly heaven on your face zoas? I dont want them then. lol!" Ksmart
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Posted: May 28 2016 at 9:54pm |
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You live over in my neck of the woods... Im thinking about ordering a bunch of macro in the near future if your interested....
Live-plants.com has great prices but they only collect algae during certain seasons
Ebay always has algae available with some really neat color and rare stuff, but they charge the most
Reefs2go.com usually has decent prices with free shipping but they have horrible customer reviews and many people wont do business with them... I have ordered inverts/macroalgae several times with no issues
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Posted: May 28 2016 at 9:31pm |
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I'd like some more aesthetically pleasing macro. But I've noticed it doesn't pop up on the forum often. I can always aquire the nice stuff as I go. I appreciate all the input.
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