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Ok its been a while since I last did an update because progress has been very slow. but I guess slow and steady wins the race. the plumbing is all completed. the return line from the sump runs up inside the pantry wall and comes out near the top of the tank.

Here is a picture of the drain lines and all the other plumbing.



on the left is the return line coming from the tigerhead pump. it has a feedback loop that goes back into the sump in case i have too much pump pressure. following that line up I put in a valve again to dial in the pump as well as a check valve. then a T goess off to the manifold to hold some equipment.

on the right is the main drain line with a T and valve to be able to do a water change. and behind it is the back up drain.

also going in on the right side is the line from my water changing system and the drain on the holding tanks.




and just for fun here is a picture of the equiptment on the shelf. a calcium reactor, carbon and GFO reactor and a sulfer denitrator that I will be making.

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now its time to work on the aquascaping and get some water in this tank. anyone have some extra dry rock haha?
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Looking nice. Looks like it's time to get it wet!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jeepj667 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2017 at 8:36am
FYI your check valve will only stop a little bit of water. The syphon will flow through your reactors on power loss.
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good point maybe I can put another check valve higher before the reactors
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Just make sure you put it in a vertical section. They don't work well in angled plumbing.

You could always just close the manifold valve when you shut off the return as well but that isn't really automated for feeding or water changes.
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Ok this is an exciting update!   the tank actually has some water in it. In fact it is now full of water. I played around with the aquascapping for a few weeks just trying to find something I liked.



here is the tank as its filling up and almost full



I have had a little trouble with my pump. when i plugged it in it is just pulsating a shooting water in spurts. not sure what is going on there. I might have to open it up and see whats going on. but it sure does move a lot of water.

And I always have to throw in a little update on my house renovations. we got new countertops on friday



and the garage addition is really coming along well.



If anyone has any thoughts on this pump problem let me know.
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wow my pictures are all sorts of directions. sorry
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How do you keep the water from spilling out of your tank like that?
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After looking closer at the pics above, I'm not as certain about what I said yesterday in your other thread about the issue with the return pump being electrical. It may be a plumbing problem.

The Reeflo Tiger Shark pump is a high volume pump that can push 8500 gals/hour at no head. That means it needs to have a constant supply of a large amount of water. Another way to say it is that it needs to have a straight shot at a huge reservoir of water. The piping from the pump to the reservoir should not have any turns or restrictions and should be the same or larger diameter as the pump intake, a diameter of 1.5". 

Have you heard of cavitation? Look it up or see the video below. Cavitation is when insufficient water is drawn into the pump so that the spinning impeller actually creates a very low pressure region around itself. The low pressure is enough to create bubbles of actual steam. The impeller then spins freely for a fraction of a second and the steam bubbles collapse. The output of the pump is momentarily reduced and a noticeable vibration is felt, usually accompanied by an audible banging/rumbling noise. The momentarily stopping of the flow allows new water to flow in and the pump then pushes water like it is supposed to. But then it sucks the water so fast again that it creates the low pressure zone leading again to cavitation. The cycle repeats continuously. If it continues long enough, the heat of the steam damages the impeller and volute housing. 

Sometimes, in order to supply these high volume pumps, the sump is double drilled with 1.5" holes and the pipe leading out of those holes is joined at a fitting just before the pump intake. As I mentioned above, for best/ideal operation, the plumbing must be a straight shot from the sump to the pump(no bends) and the distance must be as short as possible. If needed, I can come visit and help with the design and build. Otherwise, I'll send you the bill. Wink

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Ok so I got a different pump. its a reeflo hammerhead and it is installed and is really pushing a lot of water. I have never had a big pump like this and it is a little loud and is running very hot. not sure if this is just normal for these pumps. any thoughts?



the next step is getting some flow in the display tank. my thoughts are to put a gyre on the left side on the peninsula and maybe an MP 60 or equivalent near the drain side. does anyone have any other suggestions?
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If you are just running it through the sump with just the bypass line then it's probably getting a little warm from the restriction in flow. See what it does once you have flow to the tank and some bypass as well. It will most likely quiet down and run a bit cooler once it can "breath".

A Gyre on the peninsula would be good although hard to hide it or the cords on that end. Maybe a closed loop using the bulkheads from the other overflow that was removed would be good? Giggle.
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Same thing as the previous Tiger Shark pump, i.e., old bearings that are going bad, getting very hot and slowing down the motor. How do I know it's bearings? Look at the rust on that cowling. Bearings don't last forever. People always run these things noisy until they stop altogether, not knowing the pump needed to be repaired. How did this motor sound when it was run dry for a few minutes?

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Could be true in some cases but probably not the case for this pump based on the source and history of the pump. Surface rust doesn't always mean lack of service.

Also the "pretty hot" is compared to the DC pumps and small AC pumps that this user has had in the past. Maybe we should have him put his apex temp probe on the pump and see if it's really hot or just hotter than other pumps he's used but well within normal operating temps for this pump?
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Things feel like they are moving along finally. I ordered 2 titanium heaters. an 800W and a 300W. that may be overkill but so is everything else on the tank haha. so I have the 300W as the main heater and then the 800W comes on occasionally If the temp gets too low. both are controlled by my Apex.

I also got my lights and canopy all set up. there is 3 AI vegas and 2 AI hydras. I attached a plug strip in the canopy so there is only 1 wore coming out the top and into the ceiling. (which I havent run yet). it is looking really good and changed the whole look of the tank. its looks amazing.



the next step is to get some more water movement in the main display. I am thinking of putting a Gyre in the top of the peninsula end and maybe an MP 60 on the other end. any other suggestions? I thought of getting the neptune wave makers but not sure
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That stand is awesome. I like how the canopy hangs from the ceiling
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Here is some eye candy of the lights all set up and running. this is my amazing view at night time

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