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    Posted: September 12 2017 at 8:11pm
I did a quick google search and didn't find much of an answer.  Does anyone know if there are and what types of fancy clown fish naturally occur in the ocean?
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Very interesting question, I would like to know as well!
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I read after seeing your post. It appears the common clownfish is a Amphiprion Ocellaris, what we normally see as orange. I suspect in the wild that one can turn more dark/black and bred with another, giving birth to different looking clowns.

I think the research would need to be done on the ORA/Proaquatix/Sustainable Aquatics/Etc. level. I would be curious to see what they started with. I think that most original breeders found some funky ones in the wild and then started to breed them until they got what they wanted. Just selectively- like breeding dogs. 
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Interesting, I feel like I have read and heard that a lighting maroon was found in the ocean and brought into captivity.  Then a breeder was able to expose the gene more fully after a couple of generations.  I am curious if this was similar with other fancy clownfish. Maybe Ill do a little more digging.  I always assumed that most of the fish were "man made", but  I realized I never really asked if they were or not.
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Maybe they did! I was only saying what I quickly researched. I have no idea though and honestly never thought of it. I'm curious now. You've sparked my curiosity.

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I'll take a stab at this.
In the wild there are many marine fish with color markings outside the norm. For example, do a google image search of "white yellow tang". Fascinating color morphs can be seen. 10 years ago, a LFS here in St. George had a Yellow Tang with white markings. It was in their ~400 gal display tank for quite a few years. Unfortunately, that store was sold and has since folded.

I agree with Marcos. There is no doubt that interesting color morphs of many types of Clownfish have been collected over the years, but not until the development of reliable large scale breeding could anything be done with those rare morphs. In the wild, less than 1% of clownfish eggs reach adult. That's a lot of color morphs that went unseen. On the other hand, with captive bred clownfish survivability near 95% these days, the breeders get to play with selectively breeding a lot of different color morphs. 

With regard to Lightning Maroon Clownfish here is the story of the wild Lightning Maroon collected off Papua New Guinea in 2010 . (There was one collected in 2008 but that's a shorter story with a sad ending.)
Since then I believe there have been several dozen generations and some of the Lightning Maroon offered today are even sweeter than the original. Did you know that out of each batch from a pair of Lightning Maroon Clownfish, only about 20%(?) of offspring have the lightning markings. The rest all look like normal Maroon Clownfish. I believe the reason is genetic.

Shaun Sabey is our local breeder/expert. Maybe he will chime in here.

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P.S. One more link, from 2012, for all clownfish aficionados where breeder Matt Pederson clarifies a few things:
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Sustainable Aquatics has a poster that shows what wild caught clowns/percs they start with and then what type they breed with each other to get the different morphs.

Do a search for SA Clownfish Poster.
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Piccasos came from a wild caught true perc from the solomon islands I beleve. Here is a picture of ORA's original wild caught picasso

the Picasso percula clownfish. Originating from a single wild caught fish in 2004, ORA began working to replicate the bizarre and swirled stripe patterns and bring them into commercial production

Original Wild ORA Picasso
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I dont think that there is a place in the world that you can see designer clowns as the dominant pattern of clownfish. I am pretty sure most of them are a rare/random color variation that someone was able to breed into mass production. 
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