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    Posted: September 27 2017 at 5:48am
I think I'm done with Utah Reefs for awhile.

Thanks for the ideas.
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The drawer idea is pretty cool. Just be sure that if there is a leak or spillage that it cant get into the drawer and on any wiring.. Not hard to do though. A lot of tanks have a fancy thing to sit on!
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Mark I'm going to invite you to either stick to the topic of the original thread or move on. There is no need to continue this banter please.
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Originally posted by chuckfu5 chuckfu5 wrote:

Guess what the nitrate pad....never used it. I tried it and did nothing. I had it in my tank for a couple of weeks Nd saw no change. I said that to try to make ammends.
"Never used it" OR "had it in my tank for a couple weeks" Which is it?  What color did it change to? And by the way, it's not a "nitrate pad", it's a pad of de-ionizing resin. It removes a build up of various things including heavy metals, medications and other harmful compounds from the water, rock and substrate. Sometimes a couple weeks is all it takes.

So I accepted your invitation to drive from Murray to Ogden, brought some coral and other live stuff for your tank, spent an hour talking fish, left your house without asking for or hearing any offer of compensation from you for my gas or the coral. Now you say that you lied to me in an attempt to "make amends". What kind of a person are you?
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I like the idea of the platform. Sounds like a good solution to me.

Your level of care and effort can (generally) be reflected in how your tank looks.   

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Thinking about the drawer idea ...

What if you built a small platform on which you set the tank.   Use a drawer within the platform to store the equipment and hide any gadgets.  The drawback is size, but depending on what you store under the tank, you could keep it small.   It may detract from the overall look you're going for, but I think it might keep the clutter from accumulating under the counter top.
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You could even tap into the power that is already there and keep the plugs inside the cabinet.
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Hmmm.... that's a really great idea actually.

I think this may be the way I decide to go.
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Maybe she will give you the space where the bottom drawer goes (no one uses that drawer except for junk anyway) and you could remove the front from it so that you had the entire space where the drawer was but from the front it still looks like it is there?
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I'll get a pic of it this morning. It's drawers on that side.
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Any chance your wife would consider allowing you to have the top shelf/drawer just under the tank? Then you could put all of those power supplies and the dosing stuff inside the cabinet and just have a single hole in the end of the island (near the power outlets) where any cords or tubing could be fed to the tank. This would not only help you with dosing but it would make the wife happier by helping hide those cords even more than they already are and not be in the way of someone using the bar stool.

Do you have a picture of the front side of the cabinet so that I can see if it's drawers or cupboard and maybe help with a layout on how you could put things in there and how to make the drawers still functional?
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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

So I guess my honest opinion is not what you wanted to hear.テ窶堙つテ窶堙つOuchテ窶堙つ Would you rather I had not given the Reefkeeping Tip earlier this year about how Poly Filter would fix your distressed tank with it's dead dry LR, which when you eventually did use, made it possible to grow all those cool animals?

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I asked for help in installing a doser. Most of what I got was it doesn't need it or from you it's a disaster waiting to happen.

It's my tank. Help me with the question I asked....dont give your opinion on something I didn't even ask for.

When you came over and visited and talked about the tank you never ONCE said what you posted above.

I asked for help on the doser. Adam game some advice on going another route with kalkwasser which is great. Others have gave me some ideas about a doser but in your mind my tank will ultimately fail.

What I would like us an idea on how to mount the doser or an alternative not so negative.

Guess what the nitrate pad....never used it. I tried it and did nothing. I had it in my tank for a couple of weeks Nd saw no change. I said that to try to make ammends.

This forum has changed so much than what it was. I just RECENTLY joined reef2reef because I liked talking to the local folks more....im starting to reconsider.

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So I guess my honest opinion is not what you wanted to hear.  Ouch  Would you rather I had not given the Reefkeeping Tip earlier this year about how Poly Filter would fix your distressed tank with it's dead dry LR, which when you eventually did use, made it possible to grow all those cool animals?

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Originally posted by Shane H Shane H wrote:

I'm with Adam on this one. テつKW for top-off is probably your best bet in a tank this size. テつ

Also - Mark is right, the coral mix is risky. テつBut why not go for it. テつIf you're meticulous in your maintenance you could pull off a stunning SPS display. テつ As they grow, you'll need to thin out accordingly, but that's the fun part.

Good luck!


This is my feeling....honestly I was disappointed with Marks response.

I'm pushing full steam ahead.

This tank will be on the 2017 Reef Tour and welcome for anyone to come by and see.

Thanks for the POSITIVE support!
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I'm with Adam on this one.  KW for top-off is probably your best bet in a tank this size.  

Also - Mark is right, the coral mix is risky.  But why not go for it.  If you're meticulous in your maintenance you could pull off a stunning SPS display.   As they grow, you'll need to thin out accordingly, but that's the fun part.

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Originally posted by Adam Blundell Adam Blundell wrote:

I don't know why I didn't think of this before but I woke up today thinking Kalkwasser. I would get a clear milk jug, add a couple tablespoons of kalk. Add water, shake it up. Pour slowly for top off. Use the clear portion and you'll be sry. Actually that may even be too much if you do that for all top off.

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THIS is why I love the forum. If I can get away from dosing I'm all for it!

Thanks Adam! Time to do some research!
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I don't know why I didn't think of this before but I woke up today thinking Kalkwasser. I would get a clear milk jug, add a couple tablespoons of kalk. Add water, shake it up. Pour slowly for top off. Use the clear portion and you'll be sry. Actually that may even be too much if you do that for all top off.

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Every tank has it's equilibrium level of Alk and Ca. When these components are depleted down to a certain level, the sand dissolves faster thus supplying Alk and Ca. The reason coral and Coralline algae is growing at the rate it is in this tank, is due to the constant dosing to keep Alk, Ca and Mg elevated above their natural levels. 

If the dosing is reduced allowing the levels to decline to more like this; Alk 7-8 dKH, Ca 350 ppm and Mg 1200 ppm, growth will slow, coral won't need to be thinned as soon and Coralline Algae won't become a maintenance nightmare. Disapprove

I will speak frankly, like I always do. Wink
Keeping as much SPS in this tank as I am reading (15 frags), I wish you the best of luck, but I believe that trouble is on the horizon. SPS are very sensitive to the kinds of disasters that are more prone to happen in a very small aquarium. Packing that many sensitive coral into a 12 gal aquarium alongside a bunch of moderately demanding LPS coral is not something I would do. An accident can happen to one or several parameters, an anemone or a coral will die. A terrible cascade of deaths will occur. Full attention to the tank will lapse for a few days or a week and.... CRASH. 
If you look around at the old timer hobbyist tanks in general, you'll see less SPS and more soft coral. Some of us have finally had our fill of stupidly sensitive SPS coral. We tired of having to devote the time and attention that they require.

Of course this is just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

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I'm going to be that opposite guy.... I believe dosing is a necessity once your tank gets enough coral to call for it, despite the size. Doing it more often keeps things more stable, which is a really good thing if you want to keep your SPS healthy. If you're dosing what you say you are, you're to that point. 

As was mentioned (kind of), why not build a small cabinet in the back where that plug is down to the floor? Doesn't need to be more than 4 inches wide to vertically mount all your power and your dosing unit. Tall dosing containers would work in there also. Go out to 6 inches, you can fit gallon jugs in it. You can kind of color match your current wood on it so it looks like it was made for the set up. You could hide everything you have in that little unit and mount it to the current spot so it can't be ripped off easily. 
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