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Topic: algea and bryopsis with water changes updated 9/4
Posted By: dustponds10
Subject: algea and bryopsis with water changes updated 9/4
Date Posted: May 04 2008 at 6:02pm
I know I know, another question that I should know and I probably do but I had to ask.  Well algea and bryopsis go away or at least subside a bit if I do even more water changes?  I have had this problem with bryopsis for a while so I didnt do a water change for quite some time to see if that would help.  I maybe did one a month, but I normaly do a water change about every two weeks. 
I was wondering if I do water changes like 10 gallons out of my 75 gallon system if this will starve the algea out.  I have tried everything else.  Please say this will help.  Dustin

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Posted By: Debbles
Date Posted: May 04 2008 at 6:26pm
Water changes have had no affect on our bryopsis.  The only thing that we have found that helps is tuxedo urchins.  We have 2 that do eat it but not entirely.  If you find something that helps PLEASE let us know.
 
Thanks,
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Posted By: cl2ysta1
Date Posted: May 04 2008 at 6:31pm

i got rid of my bryopsis before it started. I puttied over it. thats about all i know.. i also have a sailfin that likes it!!!!

 

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Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: May 04 2008 at 7:02pm
Originally posted by dustponds10 dustponds10 wrote:

  Please say this will help.  Dustin
 
Now thats pressure. I don't think it would make that big of a difference. Are you using macro in your sump. Phoseban in the system. skimming? (I Apologize if you have covered this in other posts and I missed it)
 
My opinion would be........yell and run around the room for a hour..............actually I run a massive amount of phosban and charcoal in the tanks that I feed a lot. I also run a big skimmer in order to remove as much nutrients as possible.
 
Tons of water changes will remove the nutrients as well but in large enough amounts it will stress out your system. All of the bacteria removed (live water) may throw the system out out of balance.


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Posted By: Corey Price
Date Posted: May 04 2008 at 7:59pm
Mark Peterson had a great thread on algae control.

Algae needs a couple things to survive, and if we can limit one of these, we can effectively control it. We can also control it with ravenous herbivores. Control through nutrient limitation can be through phosphate removers, heavy protein skimming, and competition algae such as chaetomorpha. Hand removal is something you could consider, but good luck. I wasn't able to control it by hand removal.

I have heard Anthony Calfo tell people to increase their PH to above 8.4, which he claims tends to really affect bryopsis.

Personally, I let the bryopsis go in my old tank, and added a rabbitfish- the rabbitfish was happy to eat it vigorously, but he also ate my zoanthids and mushrooms, among other things. I had a long-spine urchin that was moderately effective at control as well.


Posted By: Jeff Morrill
Date Posted: May 05 2008 at 9:18am
I think mark advocates water changes only add nutrients to your tank and the algae grows better. I.M.O. raising the mag. has had a slowing effect on my briopsis, but hasn't "wiped it out" . As my wife mentioned the tuxedo Urchin munches it but does not concentrate solely on it. 
  Raising the P.H. is a new idea but will prob. will have adverse reactions to the corals if not done correctly.
  This has been a test placed before me, And I will continue to combat the stuff until I get the upper hand on it.
   And then i will tear the 90 down and re do itLOL


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 05 2008 at 10:25am
Well I guess I was getting my hopes up on something I already knew the answer to.  BUMMER, Well to answer some of your questions, I run an ASM G-1 skimmer, I have a huge ball of cheato that I trim back and I also just added some other macro just the other day, I got a hold of some lettuce nudibranches and well they eat it but I am affraid that there would need to be about 100 of them to do any damage.  I have tried a sailfin tang, didnt touch it, then I tried a powder blue(he ate really well for a few weeks and then wouldnt eat anything, I tried soaking things in garlic and to no avail) He didnt eat it, I have red mexican hermits that are suppose to help, not that much any ways.  I do pick out a hand full of the dang stuff about every 2 days or so.  I have had this problem for around5 months and I really wish I could find the cure, I think I would help a ton of reefers and it would be a catistrophic event for the hobby.

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Posted By: dew2loud1
Date Posted: May 05 2008 at 1:18pm
I've hears as jeff mentioned raising the MAG is supposed to help a ton with bryopsis, reduce nutrients, manually remove as much as possible


Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 05 2008 at 6:17pm
Bryopsis is one of the most successful nusiance algae. Few fish will touch it and most snails, the best form of algae control, don't eat it.
But I believe we can help. It will take time and require you to answers a lot of questions and then follow our instructions to the letter. Are you up to the challange? If so, the first thing we need is a full view pic of the tank and a close-up pic of the algae. Okay?


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 05 2008 at 6:24pm
sure I will take some pics right now.  Thanks Ill have them up here in a few mins. 

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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 05 2008 at 7:02pm
here you are Mark so you tell me.  Some might think this is hair alge and my camera isnt the best of cameras so I cant get a really good close up of it, but if you look close you will be able to see the structures in a few of the pics, I am pretty sure it is bryopsis.
aquariumpics023.jpg%20picture%20by%20dustponds10
bryopsis with a very mad frag I got a while ago and a luttuce nudi
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orange/red cap that is actually pleading its case with the dang stuff
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full tank shot you can see that the bryopsis is mostly growing in the lower part of the tank if you look close enough.  and there is alot of it.  So Mark, now what?


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 05 2008 at 7:05pm
hmmmm, it didnt work, that bites, Ill try to get the links
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh307/dustponds10/aquariumpics027.jpg - http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh307/dustponds10/aquariumpics027.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh307/dustponds10/aquariumpics026.jpg - http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh307/dustponds10/aquariumpics026.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh307/dustponds10/aquariumpics023.jpg - http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh307/dustponds10/aquariumpics023.jpg
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Here are the links in the same order.  Sorry I was hopeing htat it would work but it didnt


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Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: May 05 2008 at 9:06pm
 
 


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 05 2008 at 11:25pm
Dion thanks how did you do that?  Still anxiously waiting on Mark to chime in.  ^^^

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Posted By: sanddune600
Date Posted: May 05 2008 at 11:47pm
Originally posted by dustponds10 dustponds10 wrote:

Dion thanks how did you do that?  Still anxiously waiting on Mark to chime in.  ^^^




when you are in photobucket you can click on IMG CODE and copy that code then paste it where you want to post or for multiple photos check several and down at the bottom click generate IMG and HTML CODE then copy and paste the one that says

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Posted By: jpndave
Date Posted: May 06 2008 at 12:02am
I am following this thread as well Dustin.  I am still having problems with bryopsis in my tank.  My Lettuce Nudis look different than yours and haven't done much.  I may try the higher ph thing as I am starting to dose kalk with a kalk reactor.  What is the best way to dose Mg and what are the side effects of that.  This pest is a nasty one.  I have an aiptasia outbreak as well.  I am going to get some berghia to take care of them.  I am in the process of upgrading my skimmer.  I have chaeto, just added mangroves and run chemipure and purigen.  I have tried the berghias, a lawnmower blenny, a dozen different hermits and snails along with emeralds.  Your bryopsis appears different than mine.  Mine looks a lot like a small fern.  I just pruned it back but may be able to find one to take a picture of or an old pic.


Posted By: Jeff Morrill
Date Posted: May 06 2008 at 1:48am
Those are not lettuce leafs, The thread on reef central is quite long, but the  Idea is to use kent tec-m. Or use the home made recipie of dow flake . I'll wait for mark to chime inWink
 
EmbarrassedEdit=  I have ,without a doubt, Saw this at one of the local fish stores. Please look closely at the live stock you purchace! And remeber, Stores get it from Whole sellers and where do they get it???Wink


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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 06 2008 at 1:27pm
Sorry, I forgot to bring my laptop to work. I can't see the pics on my work computer. Tomorrow....

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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: May 06 2008 at 5:26pm
It looks like my lettuce nudibranch.
 
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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 06 2008 at 6:22pm
I know that there are a few different kinds, they come from different oceans.  One I believe has pink in it and is more pretty then the one I got, and the one I have came from a different place.  I bought these straight from a whole saler with the help of an aquarium maintanence guy here that I found. 
 
Dave in the last picture you can see the dang stuff that looks a little more like a fern but longer.  Alot of it is my dang camera I cannot get really good pics. 
I also have raised my mag using the two part solution from twopartsolution.com  It didnt seem to work at the time but it may have slowed things down a bit.  My next step will be to try the Kent tech-m.  You can buy it at marinedepot.com for around 20 bucks 30 shipped.


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Posted By: jpndave
Date Posted: May 07 2008 at 12:08am
My bryopsis still looks different.  I'm sure it will grow out shortly so I can get a picture. Angry


Posted By: cl2ysta1
Date Posted: May 07 2008 at 12:21am
looks like definite bryopsis to me. Also looks like there might be some hair algae in there. it appears to be only on a few rocks. stop it before it gets bad. just take the whole rock out.

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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 07 2008 at 2:00am
yeah there is a bit of hair algea, I thinkthat the hair algea has kinda taking a bunch of the nutrients from the bryopsis there for it has kind of stopped growing as fast.  I sure wondering what I should do??????? Hint hint hintWink

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Posted By: jpndave
Date Posted: May 07 2008 at 9:47am
Hair algae has never been a problem for me.  I put a piece in my tank that had some on it and my critters destroyed it in about an hour.  It is the bryopsis that is driving me mad!Angry


Posted By: Jeff Morrill
Date Posted: May 07 2008 at 9:48am

http://www.seaslugforum.net/factsheet.cfm?base=elyscris - http://www.seaslugforum.net/factsheet.cfm?base=elyscris

Test.

O.k.That worked, This is what I see when I look at my lettuce leaf.


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Posted By: Jeff Morrill
Date Posted: May 07 2008 at 10:21am
http://www.seaslugforum.net/display.cfm?id=12896 - http://www.seaslugforum.net/display.cfm?id=12896
 Many diff types. 

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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 07 2008 at 5:41pm
Okay, I finally had to ask my boss if we could change the rules and allow these pics to come through. Adam might say that you have no problem. Algae is beautiful and delicious. He ate Caulerpa on TV to promote the Reef Tour!Shocked
 
I'm assuming that you use good quality RO water. Test the TDS to be sure and let us know.
Assuming that your feeding routine is not overfeeding the tank, you still might cut it back. Tell us more about the feeding.
Now the lighting. What is it, what color, how new are the bulbs and what's the photoperiod?
Do you add any chemicals? Kalk, soda, Ca, other trace elements? What brands and how much?
Do you use AC? Phosphate remover?
Purigen or any other ionized water scrubber?
What is the population of fish and inverts?
How many snails and hermits?
I know this is a lot of questions and will take you a while to compile the answers. It will be worth the time.Smile
 


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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 07 2008 at 6:13pm
Originally posted by jpndave jpndave wrote:

I am following this thread as well Dustin. 
 ...an aiptasia outbreak as well.  I am going to get some berghia to take care of them.   
Your bryopsis appears different than mine.  Mine looks a lot like a small fern.
 
Let's see a pic here in this thread as soon as you can get it.
Feel free to answer the same questions here regarding your tank.
The same variety of Bryopsis can grow/look differently in different tanks because of different light, water, etc.
I don't recommend either of those water scrubbing products that you use because they can sometimes cause unexpected problems.
I have a question for you. Why do you want to get Berghia for the Aiptasia? I have seen that they are less likely to do the complete job than a good gang of Peppermint Shrimp. Have you tried Peppermint Shrimp?


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 08 2008 at 12:39am
Ok Mark thanks for getting back with me, I dont have a TDS meter but I just replaced the filters about 5 months ago.  So they should be good I would think.  But if I can find a TDS meter around then I will let you know.
THe feeding is slim.  I feed about every 3rd day, I have in my tank two chromis, six line wrasse, some type of goby, neon goby, and a lawnmowerblenny that is extremely picky at what he eats. 
I am doseing soda, Ca, and mag and Iodine(every month once a month)
I just got new lights in January and they are T-5's with individual reflectors.  So I wouldnt think that that would be the case.  I do have carbon running and change it once a month as well as phosphate sponge.  I hope this answers all the questions, other then the TDS question.  What do you think?


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Posted By: Jeff Morrill
Date Posted: May 08 2008 at 5:22pm
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 08 2008 at 7:59pm
Very good. Looks like you are doing everything as right as possible. 
What's the photoperiodQuestion No matter what it is, cut it in half. Use Actinics only for no more than 7 hours/day and cut all other color bulbs down to about 4 hours. If the bilbs are not separated like this, try to find a way to do it by swapping or removing tubes. What do you think of putting the tank in total darkness for a day or twoQuestion
The check of your RO water is important. Membranes can fail and let tapwater through. What's the TDSQuestion
I've had Rabbitfish that ate every macro in sight, including Bryopsis. I'm not saying this is the answer, but if I remember correctly, you indicated that you have had a Sailfin and a Powder Blue Tang, neither one survived. I'd try a Rabbitfish. If you find a Naso/Unicorn type of tang at a good price you could try that too. (It's less expensive to try them one at a time.)
I'd also look at a couple large Pacific Turbo Snails and see what damage they might do to the Bryopsis.
Can you post a pic of the Refugium. What is the lighting there and how new are the bulbsQuestion
 


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 09 2008 at 4:51pm
Mark I am trying to get a TDS meter, I am shopping around and seeing where I can find on for a good price.  a battery powered one. 
Right now the photoperiod is 12 hours actinics and 6 hours daylights.  I am going to shut them down to the reccomended 7 hours with actinics on for 7 hours and daylights on for 4. 
My question is what with the short photoperiod/total darkness do to my sps?  my display is mainly sps and quite a few high end sps.  So what would this do to them?  I am not against the total darkness at all just wondering if it will hurt my sps. 
My fuge is a 30 gallon that is 3/4 full and in the middle I have 3 different kinds of macro.  I have a huge ball of cheato that I prune back about every 2 months or so, and two other kinds that I dont know the names of.  I just added a bunch of one kind to see if that will help with anything. 
photoperiod of the fuge is a 90 watt florecent bulb and it is on 24/7.  Picture of the fuge to come shortly


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 09 2008 at 5:10pm
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Here are the pics of my fuge and the macro that I have.


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 09 2008 at 11:43pm
up to top sorry just looking for some advice

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Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: May 10 2008 at 12:35am
Originally posted by dustponds10 dustponds10 wrote:

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Here are the pics of my fuge and the macro that I have.


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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 10 2008 at 11:50am
Are there any other hobbyists near you, or can you take an RO water sample to the nearest water storeQuestion
 
That lighting is good on the Refugium, but for the purpose of correcting this problem, how about adding another lightQuestion
The algae in the fuge needs to be harvested more often. I usually place a small rock or two on the algae to make it sink to the sand. Then when it's growth brings it back to the surface, I cut 1/3 to 1/2 of it out and sink it again. With more light it will grow faster and you can probably harvest it every two weeks. This should remove nutrients from the system faster than the Bryopsis can use it.
 
A day or two of darkness is like a storm in the ocean. It will cause no problem for the SPS. Because this may take some serious darkness, can you move the coral out to another tank during this Bryopsis issue.Question
 
Have you had any luck locating a RabbitfishQuestion
I can't remember if you ever tried a Lawnmower BlennyQuestion
Have you looked into buying a couple large Pacific Turbo SnailsQuestion
 
We can all learn a lesson from Dustin's experience.
Rule of thumb Thumbs%20Up Take action early, even before the algae becomes a small patch.


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 10 2008 at 1:55pm

I might be able to find a water store and see what they have to say about my water. 

I wish I could find a rabbitfish around here.  We only hve petco and well they dont get them in ever, or at least as long as I have been looking.

I do have a lawnmower Blenny but the dang thing is so picky that it wont eat hardly anything but the sheets of algea that I put in the tank.  I have tried to not feed those but when I dont he gets super skinny and well I give in.

I have some big turbos, but I think that pet co might have some in right now so I will take a look tonight.

Some of the corals I could put into my 29 gallon that is lit by VHO"s It isnt in the best of conditions.  Quite a few are connected to the rocks with the bryposis on them.  I think I could throw a blanket over it for a day or two.  I think I will leave it the way it is with reduced lighting that you recommended for a few days then throw a blanket over the whole thing and see what happens. 

In the sump I can do as recommended.  Ill sink it right now and I will add an extra light. 
Is it ok to have the lights on 24/7?  I have heard mixed results and so I have just done it this way.


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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: May 10 2008 at 4:19pm

Yes you can run the refugium lights 24/7

 
Mike


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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 10 2008 at 4:46pm
24/7 lighting is important in that we are trying to outcompete the Bryopsis

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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 10 2008 at 5:07pm
Sweet thanks Mike and Mark.  I am not going to be able to go and get the turbo snails until monday if they still have the big ones.  My mag is high right now I just did a mag test and it said that it is around 1800 So it is way high.  I should lower it but I really dont want to do another water change because I just did one, and bryopsis is supposed to not do so well with high mag so I guess I will leave it.  I sank my macro.  Anything else that I should do?

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Posted By: Jeff Morrill
Date Posted: May 10 2008 at 10:51pm
It has to be the right mix. Tec-m (kent ) Or the home made recipie. Magneseum sulfate,has the best results in stopping the growth. You will have to mannually remove the algea, OUT OF THE TANK. My 2 cents

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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 11 2008 at 2:51am
Jeff as of right now I am using the two part solution.  It has mixed together mag sulfate and mag chloride.  I think are the two that you have to mix, I am not home or I would check.  I pick out about a handful a day and it just keeps getting worse.  But I am hopefull still.  I just cut my photoperiod to about half and we will see how that works then in a week or 10 days total darkness for a day or two.  Kind of scary but I hope that it will work and reduce the algea in my tank enough so that the critters can keep up with it.  We will see. I appericate your advice and I am trying to take everyones advice and use it all.  It would be awsome if we all could figure it out and write an article on it for anyone else that is having the bryopsis problem.  

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Posted By: Jeff Morrill
Date Posted: May 11 2008 at 12:18pm
Mine has actually stopped growing. Mag up to. Using the tec-m , Added tuxedo urchin x 2 , added a bristle tooth tang. He picks at it all day long. So here is a little history
 
I took the effected rocks one by one (had a little help from Eva)Thumbs%20Up And scrubbed the stuff manually, then rinsed in New salt water.
Placed back in the tank to wait and see..... Sure enough ........ the stuff came back
Added the urchins, and the bristletooth.
Urchins went right for it, But started to "wander around",They did not act like a robot and get rid of it quickLOL 
Checked the Mag level And it was low , Around 1200-1400. Started dosing Mag. 10ml. per day for 4 days. (little more, little less)
I'll post prams. in a jiffy
I'm looking at it now  and can see the stems, But it isn't the lush garden it once was.
Sorry for the long winded post, Hope you make it through yours with all your brains still intact.LOL


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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 11 2008 at 5:09pm

So it looks like high Mg is not the solution. If you already have some large Pacific Turbo snails I would not place my hopes on them. As Jeff said, it's a long process of waiting for it to go away. As you do the things we have discussed the algae grows less and some starts to die, especially when placed in darkness several days at a time regularly for several weeks. Some of the herbivores start to like the taste of it as it dies off.

One 250 gal tank I know of had a bigger problem than you. They took these steps we have given and eventually the fish and other herbivores ate till it was gone. I believe they had Tangs, a Lawnmower Blenny, and possibly some urchins. I don't remember if a Rabbitfish was used, that was before they became popular in the hobby, but from my own and others experience, I recommend them wholeheartedly.

I did write up this procedure. It's here: http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3033 - http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3033

And it's linked in this very useful thread about many of the basics of setting up a reef tank:
http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 - http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244
 
And the Sea Star has the story of saving my coral reef: http://www.utahreefs.com/SeaStar/wmasSeaStar02Feb.pdf - http://www.utahreefs.com/SeaStar/wmasSeaStar02Feb.pdf
 
And then there is this on GARF: http://www.garf.org/ugly.html - www.garf.org/ugly.html


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 11 2008 at 7:23pm
Ok I am going to have to read all those links and in about a week I am going to do the complete darkness thing for a day or two to see what happens.  If all else fails at least we are all learning a few new things.  Thanks for all the help up to this point and I will for sure keep posting pics if the bryopsis gets better or worse.  If there is anymore advice or something new that someone finds I would love to hear, as of right now I am putting all of the info that I have recieved into effect and hopefully we can get awsome results.

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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 12 2008 at 8:59pm
I just ordered a TDS meter to connect to the input water and the out put water.  It will be here in 3-5 days so I will let everyone know what turns out. 

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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 18 2008 at 6:34pm
I know that for alot of you this topic is dead in the water but for me it is very much alive and I want to make sure that if any one is watching this thread then I up date it. 
I just got my TDS meter the other day,
Readings
Water going in before filtered is 353
exiting the filter it is 2 and 3 it bounces back and forth. 
So I figure that this is pretty good.  I am going to keep a log and keep making sure that the water is still good for a few weeks.  So Water isnt that bad.  I will keep everyone posted. 
 
Oh one more thing, since my mag has been up around 1800 I have been pulling out what I can daily and I havent noticed it growning near as fast.  In fact it just might be in check for the time being.


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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: May 18 2008 at 11:32pm
I'm definitely listening. 2-3 tds is very good.
 
Mike


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 19 2008 at 1:31am
Thanks Mike, Ill keep posting all of my findings and Ill try to post some pictures to keep updating and letting everyone know what is happening and see what everyone has to say.

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Posted By: jpndave
Date Posted: May 19 2008 at 3:07am
My TDS runs steady at 0 both before and after the DI.  Ocassionally it will come up to 1 out of the RO.  I still have problems with bryopsis.  I am going to try the Mg as soon as I can get my hands on the right stuff.  If mg sulfate is right, can I use epsom salt?


Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 19 2008 at 10:13am
The quality of the water is only one of many things that can allow algae to grow. And once it gets started, a nusiance algae can try to "take over" despite some of our best efforts.
Truth is, algae grows just by getting it's nutrients from the tank. There is rock and sand that releases nutients, there is food going into the system and we light our reefs almost like the sun. Fish poop and pee are great food for algae.
 
But once a bad growth of algae starts, we must find ways to stunt or stop it's growth and find herbivores that will eat it up, because as you have found, manually removing it can be futile. I wouldn't place much hope in the high Mg idea. On it's own that would not be the answer, but certainly try it in concert with other efforts.
So, like my thread on the secrets of controlling algae says, find all the ways to reduce the input of nutients, add phosphate remover to rid the tank of one of the essential growth elements, reduce the photoperiod, drastically cut out the light at intervals, and ad a variety of herbivores to eat the algae.
 
In the end, the old saying is still true, "An once of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
The prevention is to have enough herbivores in the system and watch for small growths of offending algae and stop it before it gets out of control.
 
jpndave, have you or can you post pics of your tank?


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 19 2008 at 10:27am
Thanks again Mark for your great insights on this subject. 
Dave, I do know that by using the two part solution I use alot of epsom salt.  I would say yes.   ALthough I have asked a few people on reefcentral that have rid a few different tanks with Kent Tech M.  So if I was you I think I would go that way.  It would help the research in our club.  We would have a few different ways that have been tried and we can see what way is better.  Plus my mag is around 1800 and it has just bairly started to stun the dang stuff.  I am actually think of doing a water change and droping the mag. and getting kent tech m myself and trying it that way. 

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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 19 2008 at 11:09am
And sometimes these people were doing other things and then when one additional variable is changed and the problem is solved, they think that it was all due to that one last input.Confused

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Posted By: Jeff Morrill
Date Posted: May 19 2008 at 2:41pm
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=b63e06c77d8b13e13f743756d94ff4e5&threadid=1113109 - http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=b63e06c77d8b13e13f743756d94ff4e5&threadid=1113109
I know I have posted before but here it is again.

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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 19 2008 at 6:14pm
It's certainly easy to try and if it works like it did for him, it puts me out of a job!Smile

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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 19 2008 at 6:38pm

That is the same article and one of the guys that I was refering to.  I have just been going crazy with this dang stuff and so I have asked in a few places.  I am taking all the info to heart and putting it to practice then I can do a big write up of everything that I did.  I appericate everything that has been mentioned and all the help that has been given.



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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 21 2008 at 2:52pm
Well, after a week to 10 days of reduced photoperiod I have decided to throw the blankets over the tank for a couple days.  I hope that it doesnt have any negative effects.  But I will let you all know what takes place.  I have my mag up still at 1800 and I have taken note that the bryopsis has not grown near as much, so I will let you know what things look like.  The skimmer has been pulling more and more stuff out of the tank and I think that it is pulling dead algea out I hope. 
 
I will keep my eye on the skimmer and on the bryopsis.  It is killing me to have the blanket over the tank right now.  I just want to look at the tank but the lights are out, and the blanket is over the tank. 


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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: May 21 2008 at 5:17pm
It is a good sign that the skimmer is producing more. Good luck with the blanket.
 
Mike


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 21 2008 at 11:03pm
Well, just to up date it is still driving me crazy having my tank covered up.  It really stinks. 

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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 22 2008 at 5:59pm
Tough loveWink

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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 22 2008 at 10:42pm
Yeah for real, I had to have a peak under the blanket for about 10 mins, My wife was wondering what the heck I was doing.  I mean here is this guy with his head under a blanket looking at his fish tank like a kid searching out his christmas presents.  Yeah a site to see. 

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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: May 23 2008 at 9:52am
Could you tell any difference yet?
 
Mike


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: May 23 2008 at 10:35am
my lights havent come on yet, but my skimmer has picked up a bunch of stuff.  About the same amount that it had been picking up.  I am anxious to see if it affected them at all.

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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: June 26 2008 at 4:45pm
Well after a long and frustrating battle, I was about to call it quits and give in to the fact that I was just going to have to put up with the bryopsis in my tank.  I mean I tried switching salts to see if one promoted growth more then another, I tried to keep my mag up past 1600 for a month(using twopart solution) and that didnt help, but It didnt grow as fast it kept it in check.  So I was about to just give in, but recently I think I might have something going to get rid of the dang stuff.  Cross my fingers, and hope that I just didnt jinks myself.   But what I have done is this, I changed salts again.  I am now using corallife and after the first few water changes not much happened other then corals started to look more colorful and not so brown. 
Then recently I got a hold of some Kent Tech M, and I have been adding about 3 cap fulls for a few days.  I have to check my mag levels today to see where the are.  But I huge change has taken place.  The bryopsis has gone from being super thick and almost mat like to a more stringy and tallers weed.  It isnt as thick and well in certain places it has even thinned out enough to see the rock that was completly covered.  I will for sure post some pictures tonight and keep everyone updated.  If indeed this does work I will write up an article with all the info that I have used and send it to who ever would like a copy.  Stay tuned.


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Posted By: Debbles
Date Posted: June 26 2008 at 5:08pm
Please do keep us posted.  We are on day three of the blankets over the tank thing.  I took them off for 4 hours today and turned the lights on and then shut the lights back off and covered the tank.  We are following instructions from Mark Peterson.  We have 2 more days of the covered tank then on to the next step.
 
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Posted By: john hill
Date Posted: June 26 2008 at 7:39pm
so did covering the tank help at all

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Posted By: Jeff Morrill
Date Posted: June 26 2008 at 10:51pm
Cant say for shure, But the stuff is turning a lighter shade of green.

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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: July 30 2008 at 10:46pm
So, I just wanted to let everyone know that I ahve really done it.  I think I have gotten rid of my bryopsis.  I know I need to get you all some up dated pics and post every move that I made but I dont have time right now.  I will for sure post in the next day or two.  It is awsome and I am way excited.  updates coming soon

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Posted By: Cameron
Date Posted: July 31 2008 at 12:57am
Good news

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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 10:47pm
I thought that I would post some pics of my tank with the bryopsis gone.  It is 95% gone.  So tank looks alot better.  Have a look
 
 
and some new pick ups let me know what you think???
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Posted By: tileman
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 10:55pm
Looks good,, was it the Tech M that worked for you?

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Posted By: Debbles
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 11:02pm
Looks good!  What finally worked for you?  Thanks for keeping us posted.
 
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 11:50pm
Looks good.
To ensure that it stays away, it looks to me like a load of snails is needed. Some of the rocks have algae on them that I think some snails would love. I don't see enough snails on the glass, which means there aren't enough on the rocks.
I love snails. They keep algae under control.Smile


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Posted By: bbauman
Date Posted: September 05 2008 at 9:17am
I'm curious about what worked as well. I also found this while researching this topic.

http://blog.fragd.it/2008/05/09/step-by-step-guide-on-how-to-beat-bryopsis/ - http://blog.fragd.it/2008/05/09/step-by-step-guide-on-how-to-beat-bryopsis/


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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: September 05 2008 at 9:29am
It's looking good!
 
Mike


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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: September 05 2008 at 9:30am
I think we need to have come club t-shirts made that state "I Beat Bryopsis!"
 
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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: September 06 2008 at 3:35am
Great idea Mike.  I for sure would support that and buy one.  As for what ended up working for me.  It was Kent Tech M.  I raised my bryopsis up to around 1600 and maintained it there for a week or two and that is when the die off of the bryopsis happened.  I tried numerous things and it was so frustrating.  So I did what I should have done from the start and well it worked.  The main problem is we dont have a LFS that carries Kent Tech M.  which is a mag. suppliment for those that dont know.  So it was hard to get a hold of. 
As for more snails, those are in the works right now.  What kind would you recommend?  I dont have that many right now but I almost want to over populate my tank with snails.  Just let me know what you recommend.  I have mostly nerites right now but there are only about 50 or so of them and about 20 nassrius snails right now with around 70 hermit crabs.  I am all ears for suggestions.  Thanks for the advice and the kind comments

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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: September 06 2008 at 8:46am
How do you raise your "bryopsis" to 1600?!
 
I tried raising the Magnesium too but it didn't work for me.
 
Mike


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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: September 06 2008 at 4:48pm
I meant I tried to raise the mag to 1600 and only with Kent tech M it worked.  Itried the two part solution mag and that didnt work.  The only thing that I can think is that they have something else in the Kent tech M that when you raise your mag up it also raises something else in you water and that kicks the bryopsis. 

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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: September 08 2008 at 3:41pm
I agree it's not just the Mg but something else in Kent Tech M. Your success is great to know. The method is a lot easier too. That will definitely be our first option for future Bryopsis problems.Thumbs%20Up
 
As for snails, I've found the best success with a combination of about 40% Astrea, 30% Margarita and 30% Cerith. Cerith also clean the sand so you get all areas covered with that 40-30-30 combo. As far as how many for your tank, I'd add almost 2 snails per gallon or as close to that as you feel comfortable. To keep my own tanks free of nusiance algae, I add a good number of snails once or twice a year. The numbers need to stay up or an algae problem is what you get.
 
Algae is a constant battle. New hobbyists are rarely told anything about algae control and you know the result. Cry
 
The word needs to be spread about the importance of snails and the herbivore vs carnivore  balance. See the SeaStar articles regarding this in the Feb 2002 issue.


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