ID Help Please?
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Topic: ID Help Please?
Posted By: ClownFishAddict
Subject: ID Help Please?
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 7:33pm
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I have a few pictures of the ones I want to know the name of if anyone can help that would be cool... #1 (I know its upside down) the pink rim ones with a dark center in the middle  #2  #3 the ones with the pink center at the top and the ones below them  #4 I know its a monticap but what kind. it is cool.....  #5 not a very good pic but you should be able to see them  ------------- http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61789&title=ok-here-it-goes-my-redneck-120-rimless-build" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Bryce
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 8:30pm
#4 looks like similarto a LA Lakers monti or some just call it a yellow montipora. You selling it? ------------- 65g Reef |
Posted By: ClownFishAddict
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 8:35pm
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no i love this thing but when it gets bigger i might frag it out.
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Posted By: bstuver
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 8:38pm
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First zoa looks like lunar eclipse. I use to have some of those ones in the second pic I loved them so if you ever frag them please let me know, I have no idea what they were called though. ------------- Jackie Stuver "wait these aren't the happy Hawaiians oompa doompa godly heaven on your face zoas? I dont want them then. lol!" Ksmart |
Posted By: ClownFishAddict
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 8:45pm
THIS IS FOR JACKIE ONLY FOLKS I'M NOT FRAGGING THEM LOL ------------- http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61789&title=ok-here-it-goes-my-redneck-120-rimless-build" rel="nofollow">
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bstuver wrote:Posted By: bstuver
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 8:56pm
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LOL Thanks Brian:) What's the matter you didn't want twenty others;) I will get ahold of you next time I'm up that way! ------------- Jackie Stuver "wait these aren't the happy Hawaiians oompa doompa godly heaven on your face zoas? I dont want them then. lol!" Ksmart |
Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 8:56pm
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Corals are only named if you bought them named. If you didn't, make up a cool new name. ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: ClownFishAddict
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 8:58pm
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Posted By: ClownFishAddict
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 8:58pm
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Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 9:10pm
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No... I believe BillyC did an excellent writeup on this. It has less to do with money and more about being honest with your buyer. ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: ClownFishAddict
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 9:13pm
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If you leave it up to me their names will be bob, john, frank, leslie and joe lol
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Posted By: fishnfresh
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 9:34pm
| There is a website that has alot of zoas on it dont remember link but sure someone here does. The cap looks like one called something blueberry I think not sure. First zoas are lunars #5 fire and ice I think and others maybe armor of god morph |
Posted By: bstuver
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 10:03pm
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www.zoaid.com ------------- Jackie Stuver "wait these aren't the happy Hawaiians oompa doompa godly heaven on your face zoas? I dont want them then. lol!" Ksmart |
Posted By: Nails12
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 10:06pm
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zoaid.com Plus one to the blueberry. Iffy on the Lunars, I have lunars and they seam to be much brighter red. But perhaps its picture quality or different lighting. ------------- This is more than a hobby; its a lifestyle. |
Posted By: wickedsnowman
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 10:09pm
| I agree the monti is blueberry patch |
Posted By: Bryce
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 10:19pm
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I dont get the has to be this if you bought it named stuff or "lineage" stuff to be truely called this or that, they all came from the ocean, then some dude slaps his name in front of it as if it being in his/her tank and pics taken of it with his/her camera made it better? Im not talking about two different corals, I'm talking about the same one but one doesnt have the designer name. People just want to know what its typically called right? Or am I totally not educated on this? Is a "garf" purple bonsai any different than the same coral that happened to be plucked from the same ocean in the same area and sent to a supplier other than garf or tyree or fox or whoever? Can I please start calling my gsp the "Bryce gsp" and selling it for $1,000 a polyp? To me rare = higher price, supply and demand, etc. Maybe I need to find BillyC's write up.
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Posted By: ClownFishAddict
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 10:25pm
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Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 10:27pm
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http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59608&KW=coral+names&PID=489106&title=official-coralnaming-and-lineage-discussion#489106" rel="nofollow - http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59608&KW=coral+names&PID=489106&title=official-coralnaming-and-lineage-discussion#489106 ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: ClownFishAddict
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 10:45pm
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Posted By: Bryce
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 10:58pm
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Not to get the thread off the innocent topic and request.....Good write up and still even after reading it, the fact that anyone thinks there is a need to document lineage on a coral seems silly but I guess there will always be purist and people who want to justify why they just spent X on a coral that 99% of people couldnt tell any distinct differences from the same coral acquried from dare I say someone that got the same coral out of the "lineage". The people using these names after they got it from person x, want more money because they paid more money. I have blue acropora sold to be as cali blue tort and oregon blue tort so I call them that but I seem to have lost the, cough cough papers proving their lineage ;) btw, Im looking for some garf bonzai sps!
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Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 11:08pm
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Back when the Tyree Montipora Sunset was just released, I was looking all over for it (Montiporas of that caliber were unheard of at that time). I found a lady selling a piece, but she didn't post a picture. Since everyone was trying to jump on it, I bit the bullet, drove forever to get it, and brought it home (it was already in a cup when I arrived). Needless to say, it was a new wild colony that was hacked up...and didn't have the proven coloration of the Tyree colony. In fact, it wasn't even the same species. She called her coral the "Tyree Montipora Sunset" because it looked the same to her, but her eye was untrained. Even if the corals look the same to you, be honest and call them something else. It's not about the money (at least not to me.) It's about buying and selling honestly - knowing exactly what you're selling and exactly what you're buying. ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: Bryce
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 11:17pm
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Now that makes sence! Remove the name and go generic instead of cali or oregon blue tort just call it a blue tort! And together we can all drive the price of corals down so I can actually afford them. Those big name coral vendors should really start issuing certificates of authenticity though, like all the benie babies my mother-in-law collected came with! ------------- 65g Reef |
Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 11:20pm
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You hit the nail on the head. Like BillyC said in his thread, just call it "Bryce's Blue Tort"...and you're good to go. "random Blue Tort" would also suffice. If you aren't 100% sure, make up something that is very clear that it's not lineaged. It'll help those of us looking for very specific corals...and help drive down prices. ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: ClownFishAddict
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 12:06am
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So can we start asking the LFS's to provide proof of lineage? Just a question not a bash... It seems to me that some LFS are the most responsible for the pricing since they sell corals to us and say it is this or that and nobody really knows do we?
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Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 12:20am
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Unfortunately, I doubt very many people (or LFS) have "proof" of lineage. It's kinda taken on the honor system. I try my best to keep a list of who I bought what from...and if I know...who they bought it from. 99% of people don't ask me. I've been to LFS all over the country, and it varies by each one. I've been to some where they take in new wild colonies and throw a crazy name and price tag on it. I've seen others where they couldn't sell a coral, so they threw a crazy name and price tag on it...and magically it sold. Others...specifically collect high-end corals from lineaged sources and sell them as a reputable "high-end dealer". The last one takes quite a bit of work, but the people who buy from them know that what they're getting isn't some hacked up coral that'll lose its color in 3 weeks. Keep in mind, LFS prices have to be higher than a friend who cuts a few frags every few weeks. LFS have a business to run...they take quite a bit of losses...have to deal with employees (insurance, taxes, etc.)...and still need to make a profit. Anyway...sorry I hijacked your thread, but I think this is a pretty important topic...especially to those who hate the name game b/c it drives coral prices up...and to those who still try to find lineaged pieces. ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: ClownFishAddict
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 12:32am
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All I'm saying about the prices and LFS is I can go into almost any LFS here in utah and they will tell me that this coral is $150 because it is a _______________ (any fancy name). They are selling these to us for these prices and no proof of where it came from. I do know these same stores buy from big vendors where they get misc corals in when they order them and they name and price them after receiving their shipment and sell them that way. That is my opinion of how this hobby is out of control on pricing. I could very easily sell the ones in picture #1 as Lunar eclipse palys and get the full price on them but I got them with the tank and really don't know what they are. So whats stopping a store from buying up someones corals and saying this looks like that so they are this price and name? ------------- http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61789&title=ok-here-it-goes-my-redneck-120-rimless-build" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 12:42am
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It's how much you value their integrity. If you don't believe them, don't buy it, don't buy from them, or ask to see proof. (And it's not just Utah.) Keep in mind, the store owner and employees eat based on their reputation. If I were one...I'd do my best to make sure I wasn't selling a knockoff. ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: wickedsnowman
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 9:17am
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This is why I love hobbiest like pete moss. He is bringing in high end lineage stuff and just rare super cool unnamed things and then sales them for the same price. It drives down the value of the lineage stuff and some reefers would bitch about that but I think it is great. I hate the coral name game. The reason being my tank is full of lineaged stuff bought from billy, jared's etc. but on alot of it I was to lazy to remember what was theirs and what I bought from joe smoe. Now I have a tank I am super proud of color growth etc. However if I am being honest with the buyer alot of everything is valued the same now. As I think it should be. I pride myself on having cool unique looking coral. But could care less where it comes from. Its a good thing I just let my stuff grow out. So I dont have to sell and play the stupid game haha... |
Posted By: Aquatic Evolution
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 12:51pm
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Just call it Blue Acropora tortuosa. Widkedsnowman wrote; "This is why I love hobbiest like pete moss. He is bringing in high end lineage stuff and just rare super cool unnamed things and then sales them for the same price. It drives down the value of the lineage stuff and some reefers would bitch about that but I think it is great. " You already fell victim to the "High End" promise. Most of what is offered as "High End" is actually quite common. ------------- 
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