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Topic: Bangaii Cardinal
Posted By: sabeypets
Subject: Bangaii Cardinal
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 7:18pm
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I have a group of 18 adult Bangaii, one male had 12 babies, another other had 40 


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American Fork
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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 12:35am
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 6:29am
Don't you mean a week since release? They were about a week in daddy's mouth, right?
It's great to see all those babies. Congratulations.

Aloha  Hug


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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 1:35pm
Yes, one week since release. The male held them for 21 days, I'm not sure at what point they actually hatch, guessing around day 10?. Of all the breeding projects I have been involved with Bangaii Cardinals have took more time, effort, and I have been unsuccessful until now. I'm talking YEARS!!!!
Thanks Mark.   


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American Fork
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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: December 26 2014 at 12:07am
Not sure what is going on with these, they went 2 weeks with no problems. Now something up.
2 died 12/23
5 died 12/24
1 died 12/25
1 died 12/26
They get feed NHBBS several times a day, and 50% water change Daily. 5 gallon tank with a sponge filter. 



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Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: December 26 2014 at 11:22am
Originally posted by sabeypets sabeypets wrote:

Not sure what is going on with these, they went 2 weeks with no problems. Now something up.
2 died 12/23
5 died 12/24
1 died 12/25
They get feed NHBBS several times a day, and 50% water change Daily. 5 gallon tank with a sponge filter. 


With 50% water change daily, is it absolutely necessary to use the sponge filter?  I'm asking because I'm wondering if there could be some bacteria collected on the filter that might be harmful to the tiny babies?



Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: December 26 2014 at 10:38pm
No a sponge filter is not necessary at all with 50% daily water changes.  There could be some bacteria collected on the filter that might be harmful to the tiny babies but I'm not sure

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Posted By: Cowan
Date Posted: December 31 2014 at 4:09pm
Sabey- do you have your adults in their own tank? I have a breeding pair in my tank with the other fish but have a hell of a time trying to capture the male when he is about ready to release the babies. He has a habit of only releasing a few at a time and hides in the rocks to do it so I only get a few at a time if I am lucky. I also have an 8 gallon tank where I keep the babies once they are caught, but I don't know the best way to catch all the babies once they are released. Any suggestions?


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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: January 01 2015 at 6:55pm
I keep them in a 360gal reef, I just catch the male when he is ready to release them. If they are released into my reef tank they are gone (eaten) in a mater of minutes.   

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Shaun
American Fork
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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 10:58am
More babies!!! Another 60 plus babies last night.

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Shaun
American Fork
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Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 11:30am
Congrats!


Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 11:20am
Originally posted by Molli Molli wrote:

Congrats!
Thanks Molli

Had another 30 plus hatch yesterday! that makes close to 100 this week!!!!


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Shaun
American Fork
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Posted By: proskier101
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 10:27am
Originally posted by sabeypets sabeypets wrote:

Originally posted by Molli Molli wrote:

Congrats!
Thanks Molli

Had another 30 plus hatch yesterday! that makes close to 100 this week!!!!
 
you should keep them all.  These are increasingly RARE fish.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
LOL


Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 2:19pm
That's awesome Shaun.

For that many baby Bangaii, I would do a regular tank of at least 30 gals with good LS bed with tons of life, a pile of LR rubble, and tons of algae all over to provide good live bug spawn and live bug larvae for them to eat. If possible, plumb this separate tank as part of the system where the Bangaii parents are living. Two important advantages to this are, 1) the water is essentially the same as what they hatched in and 2) water changes are unnecessary, except as the larger system receives new water. 

Here is a Mike Savage pic (my TOTM) of a good environment for Bangaii.




For Cowan, there is an easy way to capture the babies. I believe it has been written here on the forum several times. It talks about waiting until tails are poking out of Dad's mouth or just before, sneaking up on the tank after dark, flipping the lights on and immediately netting Dad, who often releases the babies right into the net. This was the technique in the the pic below. One of the released babies is visible above/behind Dad's first dorsal fin.
Do a WMAS forum search and also, if you haven't seen it, read the excellent article about it in this SeaStar:   http://www.utahreefs.com/SeaStar/wmasSeaStar02Feb.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.utahreefs.com/SeaStar/wmasSeaStar02Feb.pdf

Aloha,
Mark  Hug





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Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 2:53pm
Shaun you keep doing your fish raising thing!

The hobby needs more tank raised fish, you're a total champ!

Will you let me know when your tank raised fish are available for sale? I plan on only stocking tank raised and would be more than willing to make the trip to American Fork.




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Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 5:36pm
Originally posted by Pete Moss Pete Moss wrote:



The hobby needs more tank raised fish, you're a total champ!





Agreed.


Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 12:37am
I got another 13 tonight! I didn't see this male till tonight and I think he all ready released most of them. That makes over 100 just in the last week.

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American Fork
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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 12:51am
Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

That's awesome Shaun.

For that many baby Bangaii, I would do a regular tank of at least 30 gals with good LS bed with tons of life, a pile of LR rubble, and tons of algae all over to provide good live bug spawn and live bug larvae for them to eat. If possible, plumb this separate tank as part of the system where the Bangaii parents are living. Two important advantages to this are, 1) the water is essentially the same as what they hatched in and 2) water changes are unnecessary, except as the larger system receives new water. 

Here is a Mike Savage pic (my TOTM) of a good environment for Bangaii.




For Cowan, there is an easy way to capture the babies. I believe it has been written here on the forum several times. It talks about waiting until tails are poking out of Dad's mouth or just before, sneaking up on the tank after dark, flipping the lights on and immediately netting Dad, who often releases the babies right into the net. This was the technique in the the pic below. One of the released babies is visible above/behind Dad's first dorsal fin.
Do a WMAS forum search and also, if you haven't seen it, read the excellent article about it in this SeaStar:   http://www.utahreefs.com/SeaStar/wmasSeaStar02Feb.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.utahreefs.com/SeaStar/wmasSeaStar02Feb.pdf

Aloha,
Mark  Hug

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Mark thanks for the info. I have them in 5 and 10 gallon bare bottom tanks, a little macro algae, and a sponge filter. No LR, no LS, not plumbed, and I wish I had more macro algae with lots of good bugs Shift+R improves the quality of this image. Shift+A improves the quality of all images on this page..


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American Fork
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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 12:54am
Thanks Pete and Molli.

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American Fork
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Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 6:33am
Seriously, I want to buy some. Badly.

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125g 90g 2x33g 34g
What stores do I recommend?
Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 )
Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 )

Member of GCFB


Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 10:09am
Seriously, I want to buy some. Badly.

I would be down for a few as well!  Please post when they're ready for sale!

Nice job.  I still remember when Jeff Hite hatched and raised these years ago.  It was one of my favorite things to watch!   I had a mated pair for years. I never tried to raise the fry, but the adults were "regular" producers.

Congrats! Again.  


Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 10:42am
Originally posted by Shane H Shane H wrote:

I never tried to raise the fry, but the adults were "regular" producers.


What he means to say is they were horny.

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What stores do I recommend?
Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 )
Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 )

Member of GCFB


Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: March 02 2015 at 11:49pm
Thanks Shane
I had 7 more hatch that were in a tumbler yesterday, and another 35ish more from another male tonight. Still have 2 more males holding.   


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Shaun
American Fork
"Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams


Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 8:17am
That is awesome. Your ability to breed fish is impressive.

Aloha  Hug


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Posted By: jdinchak
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 8:42am
It was really cool to see.  The entire night after seeing them at your shop my wife said "I want to raise cardinals". 


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Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 8:58am
Any updates on when these will be available for sale?

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125g 90g 2x33g 34g
What stores do I recommend?
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Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 )

Member of GCFB


Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 10:24am
"That is awesome. Your ability to breed fish is impressive."
Thanks Mark

"It was really cool to see.  The entire night after seeing them at your shop my wife said "I want to raise cardinals"."
Glad you enjoyed! I remember leaving your house saying to myself I want an Eel Garden.

"Any updates on when these will be available for sale?"
Pete, you should have stopped, said hi, and seen them Saturday when you was down this way. They are still smallish but have been eating pellets for about a week now. I'm just starting them on frozen now. Maybe another 3 or 4 weeks they will be big enough?


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American Fork
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Posted By: jdinchak
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 10:26am
Sustainable said they tried breeding Garden Eels and it wasn't cost effective to sell (not high in demand) but shows it is possible.  He offered to share his information (I am the dummy who never emailed him back, I really need to do that).  New challenge for you!  Garden Eels for ALL!  Lets do it!


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Posted By: Hogie
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 10:34am
I'm excited to get a couple!


Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 10:49am
Originally posted by jdinchak jdinchak wrote:

Sustainable said they tried breeding Garden Eels and it wasn't cost effective to sell (not high in demand) but shows it is possible.  He offered to share his information (I am the dummy who never emailed him back, I really need to do that).  New challenge for you!  Garden Eels for ALL!  Lets do it!
The thought has crossed my mind to try them, maybe with some help from Matt C (or Jeremy W) I could try! Garden Eels for ALL!!!!


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Shaun
American Fork
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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 10:50am
Originally posted by Hogie Hogie wrote:

I'm excited to get a couple!
Cool! I'll let you know when they are ready to go.


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Shaun
American Fork
"Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams


Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 1:32pm
Garden eels are very cool!

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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: March 13 2015 at 8:28am
Another 35ish a couple of days ago, one male left holding with only a day or two to go. The next round first male is all ready holding.

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Shaun
American Fork
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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 2:05am
Last male holding had 35ish tonight, next go around  2 males holding again.

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Shaun
American Fork
"Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams


Posted By: Melissa
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 9:53am
How close are the oldest ones? :)


Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: May 09 2015 at 12:39am
I have a few of these ready for new homes!!!!


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Shaun
American Fork
"Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams


Posted By: gail
Date Posted: May 09 2015 at 8:31pm
I would be interested in two of your baby cardinals.


Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: June 10 2015 at 10:14pm
These are for sale now!!!! $20 each

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Posted By: AcroNem
Date Posted: June 10 2015 at 10:18pm
Dibs on one!

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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: June 11 2015 at 2:57pm
Originally posted by AcroNem AcroNem wrote:

Dibs on one!
You got it!!!

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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: June 13 2015 at 12:20am
About 90 more today!

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Posted By: jason
Date Posted: June 13 2015 at 8:06am

wow holy cow that is awesome




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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: June 23 2015 at 2:10pm
We have some that are getting big $20 each.

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Posted By: Melissa
Date Posted: June 23 2015 at 3:52pm
My 4 are doing great, and even go after pellets like crazy now :)


Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: June 23 2015 at 4:29pm
Originally posted by Melissa Melissa wrote:

My 4 are doing great, and even go after pellets like crazy now :)
 
Thanks Melissa, We love feedback on the livestock we have raised!


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Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 11:11pm
Do you use the method to sex them by feeding them well and looking for one tube or two?

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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 1:04am
Nope, I honestly can't tell that way.

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Shaun
American Fork
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Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 1:34am
Well share how you know.. please ;.

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The only clowns I like are in my tank!





Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: July 22 2015 at 10:40pm
I bought a group of 18 and let them pair up on their own. I ended up with at least 7 pair.

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Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: July 23 2015 at 5:26pm
I bought 4 and 2 paired so I am super excited.
Pam

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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 1:22am
Originally posted by ptronsp ptronsp wrote:

I bought 4 and 2 paired so I am super excited.
Pam
 
Thats Cool
Kinda makes me wonder if they can change sex


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Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 2:39am
These guys are pretty small, but it was really apparent with in about two days they had paired. They had picked the cave as well as their home.. lol. They are so fun to watch. The other two could careless about one another.

Your number ratio was pretty darn good with your pairing. Were yours pretty small? How long until they started breeding?

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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 9:29pm
Yes the 14 out of 18 is to good, that's what makes me wonder. They were small and took about 10 months to start breeding. I also add 10 small PJ Cardinals the same time and I'm still waiting for a spawn from them.

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Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 11:11pm
Interesting. I don't care so much for the pajama's.

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The only clowns I like are in my tank!





Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 11:53pm
I also added 4 black cardinals.

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Posted By: Hogie
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 1:29am
That's awesome! So, what all fish do you bred and sell?


Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 12:51am
Originally posted by Hogie Hogie wrote:

That's awesome! So, what all fish do you bred and sell?

Clowns, Cardinals, Seahorses, Berghia and coming up Molly Miller Blennys (they eat aiptasia) and Dottybacks. Other projects include Ruby Red Scooter, Yellow assessor, Blue Assessor, and a couple of kinds of Cleaner Gobies.



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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 10:24pm
More babies tonight!!!

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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: August 12 2015 at 9:58pm
We have some ready to go home with you today!!!



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Posted By: bstuver
Date Posted: August 12 2015 at 10:02pm
I will probably swing by and grab a couple to try to pair up this week:)

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Posted By: Hogie
Date Posted: August 13 2015 at 1:43am
Do you have any that show interest in pairing off?


Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: August 14 2015 at 10:38pm
Originally posted by Hogie Hogie wrote:

Do you have any that show interest in pairing off?
 
I haven't noticed, but they are big enough to start pairing off. 


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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: August 14 2015 at 10:42pm
Breaking News!!!! Collected more babies tonight.

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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: August 24 2015 at 11:09am
We have a few that are ready for new homes!!!! These guys are eating frozen, flake, and pellets.  

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Posted By: Jeremyw
Date Posted: August 24 2015 at 12:20pm
WEll then I need to come down! 

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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: August 26 2015 at 11:22pm
Come on Down!!!

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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: November 29 2015 at 11:13pm
Still have some available!!!!

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Posted By: andyj
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 9:25am
How much are they?? Clap


Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: December 05 2015 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by andyj andyj wrote:

How much are they?? Clap

On sale right now $19.99 each.


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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: February 03 2016 at 10:47pm
Have a few of these still available

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