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   <title><![CDATA[Is 20k enough actinic : I&amp;#039;ve spent too much time...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5">Adam Blundell</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3035<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;23&nbsp;2004 at 10:18am<br /><br /><P>I've spent too much time talking to Jake about coral lighting and pigments.&nbsp; I think I can safely say "I agree with Jake" on all of his comments (except for #3 above, what is up with the no comment?).&nbsp; </P><P>I've even spoken with Jake about his crazy idea to grow flourescent green zooxanthellae and inject them to make green xenia. Or grow blue and inject them in claudiella to make a nice super blue colt coral.&nbsp; <BR>(scary part is that Jake may know what he is talking about, and this may be the future of coral farming)</P><P>Adam</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is 20k enough actinic :   Mark Peterson wrote:  Jared...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=62">Jared</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3035<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;23&nbsp;2004 at 10:07am<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Mark Peterson" alt="Originally posted by Mark Peterson" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Mark Peterson wrote:</strong><br /><br /><BR><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Jared" alt="Originally posted by Jared" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Jared wrote:</strong><br /><br />End caps at Home Depot $4</td></tr></table> <BR>Where? I gotta see these <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0"> BTW, $27 is a special WMAS members price for a 4'</td></tr></table> </P><P>They're just the standard endcaps they had in the lighting secion of homedepot.&nbsp; Nothing specail, they were identical to the endcaps on my AGA NO light strip.</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is 20k enough actinic : Adam said:Some food for thought:1)...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3">Jake Pehrson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3035<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;23&nbsp;2004 at 9:59am<br /><br /><P><strong>Adam said:<BR><BR>Some food for thought:<BR>1) All those lights that make your corals glow and look pretty... are lights that aren't helping your corals grow.<BR></strong><BR>True...corals have nice colors because they are blocking out light they don't like.<BR><BR><strong>2) A good portion of corals reefs aren't pretty, their junkyards.&nbsp; (not all coral reefs are pretty)<BR></strong><BR>Adam, all reefs are pretty.&nbsp; Even the brown corals growing on the rusted sewer outlets.<BR><BR><strong>3) Red light may be more important, or less important.&nbsp; I don't know, I'm just saying it is far more limiting.&nbsp; <BR></strong><BR>No comment.<BR><strong><BR>4) I have a very difficult time believing we will over light our corals and bleach them.&nbsp; Isn't it amazing to walk up to a reef at low tide and see miles and miles of acropora and montipora sticking out in the air?<BR></strong><BR>IMO corals don't bleach because of too much light, but bleach because of too much light too quick, or too much light of the wrong spectrum.<BR><strong><BR>5) Corals may not be making pigments to look good, but rather to absorb light as a protection (like sunscreen).<BR></strong><BR>True, as I mentioned above.<BR><strong><BR>6) When it comes right down to it.... none of us know what we are talking about.<BR></strong><BR>True also.&nbsp; This is all just speculation.</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is 20k enough actinic : has anybody actually measured...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3035<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;23&nbsp;2004 at 9:37am<br /><br /><P><strong>has anybody actually measured the light at different depths out on the reefs</strong></P><P>Yes, but every reef is different.&nbsp; It's a function of turbidity in the water.&nbsp; Reefs near large land masses tend to be in more turbid water while barrier reefs out away from land can have very clear water.&nbsp; There's charts in a Steve Tyree book that shows light transmission through a couple different "types" of ocean water.&nbsp; I've seen similar graphs elsewhere.</P><P><strong>Thanks for that 1.67 calculation Jon</strong></P><P>Hey, I'm an engineer it's in my blood. &nbsp;<IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"></P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by jfinch</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is 20k enough actinic : Mark go Halides you just can&amp;#039;t...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=466">jglover</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3035<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;23&nbsp;2004 at 9:37am<br /><br />Mark go Halides you just can't beat the ripple effect!&nbsp; vangvace check out marks famous pics somewhere on the forum.&nbsp; probably a few times over.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is 20k enough actinic : A possibly silly question but......]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=567">vangvace</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3035<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;23&nbsp;2004 at 9:28am<br /><br />A possibly silly question but... has anybody actually measured the light at different depths out on the reefs?<IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" border="0">]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is 20k enough actinic : Mark- go halide, you can&amp;#039;t...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5">Adam Blundell</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3035<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;23&nbsp;2004 at 6:36am<br /><br /><P>Mark- go halide, you can't have too much light. (plus a few of us can't wait to see you with halides)</P><P>Jon- "So are you of the opinion that over illuminating problems are all acclimation related?"&nbsp; I don't know.&nbsp; Sometimes people say "I bought this green coral, put it in my tank and now it is brown".... to which I think "maybe you bought a brown coral and now it is finally happy that it doesn't have to be green".&nbsp; <BR>That probably isn't the case, but I don't know. People can talk lumens and par all they want, but to me... we never over power our tanks.&nbsp; Yes I admit, so corals like mushrooms (although not corals) do better in low light, but in general, I don't think we are overpowering our corals.&nbsp; </P><P>Thanks for that 1.67 calculation Jon.&nbsp; Not exactly what I was looking for, or maybe it was??? Hmmm, I was actually waiting to hear someone say "not much more" or "a lot more". <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"></P><P>No I'm not going to start keeping SPS! <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"></P><P>Adam</P><!-- Signature -->]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is 20k enough actinic :   jglover wrote:Land plants use...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3035<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;23&nbsp;2004 at 1:03am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by jglover" alt="Originally posted by jglover" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>jglover wrote:</strong><br /><br />Land plants use almost entirely the red spectrum for photosynthesis I'm wondering how a red lit fuge would turn out.  Anyone ever tried red light?</td></tr></table> <br />I haven't tried or ever seen anyone try just red light, but I have seen three colors used. White, pink and blue. White seems to give the best growth and blue the worst. Since many of the macroalgae we grow are from 0-15' depths, that makes sense to me. <br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Jared" alt="Originally posted by Jared" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Jared wrote:</strong><br /><br />End caps at Home Depot $4</td></tr></table><br />Where? I gotta see these <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0"> BTW, $27 is a special WMAS members price for a 4' URI-R at Marine Aquatics and the WH-7 was $36 at Commercial Lighting. <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> MA is getting in some more $35 ARO ballasts this week.<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Jfinch" alt="Originally posted by Jfinch" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Jfinch wrote:</strong><br /><br />Since noone came to my defense  (not even Mark) I'll have to do it myself</td></tr></table><br />Sorry Jon, I wasn't watching, but you did a great job. <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0"> <br /><br /> <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley25.gif" border="0"> I have a question for y'all. For my new 75 will I need MH or will four VHO be sufficient to grow SPS? It is in a large East window, receiving about 4 hours of bright sunlight each morning. <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley25.gif" border="0"> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is 20k enough actinic : &amp;#034;Coral growth and color has...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3035<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;22&nbsp;2004 at 9:32pm<br /><br /><P><strong>"Coral growth and color has an intricately woven relationship to lighting..... too bad we don't know what that relationship is."</strong></P><P>*ding* </P><P><strong>Are my 20k XM halides giving off enough actinic (blue) light, that I don't need to add more?</strong></P><P>I don't know, but I'm currently of the opinion that intensity is, as important, maybe a little more, then spectrum.&nbsp; That is why I prefer 10K (give or take a few K) bulbs.</P><P><strong>How much heat does a 250 watt bulb give off, compared to a 150 watt?</strong></P><P>That I can qualitatively answer... 250/150 = 1.67.&nbsp; So, I'd say they will generate 67% more heat.</P><P><strong>I have a very difficult time believing we will over light our corals and bleach them.&nbsp; Isn't it amazing to walk up to a reef at low tide and see miles and miles of acropora and montipora sticking out in the air?</strong></P><P>huhhh...&nbsp;are you going to start keeping SPS now&nbsp;<IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0"></P><P>So are you of the opinion that over illuminating problems are all acclimation related?</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is 20k enough actinic : Sorry, I forgot what this topic...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5">Adam Blundell</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3035<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;22&nbsp;2004 at 8:33pm<br /><br /><P>Sorry, I forgot what this topic was about... I just went back to see... and low and behold I started this topic.</P><P>So back to my original questions-<BR>1) Are my 20k XM halides giving off enough actinic (blue) light, that I don't need to add more?<BR>2) How much heat does a 250 watt bulb give off, compared to a 150 watt?&nbsp; In other words when I added my two 150 watt bulbs my tank temp didn't rise (at least I don't think it did) but what would happen if I used 250 watt bulbs?</P><P>Adam</P>]]>
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