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    Posted: October 21 2009 at 1:56pm
I just got a 55 gallon frag tank whats the best lighting to use?
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Depends: what do you want to do/have? If you ask some on here... (ryan) they say all T5s, I had PCs on my 55 for 2 years and did great, even has some sps corals! Others will say MH, what are you looking to see or get out of your lighting? Do you like the shimmer that is in the ocean? 
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Shimmer is pointless on a frag tank! Get a 4 bulb T5 fixture. The TEK or ATI Sunpower will do the trick. Run some good bulbs for sweet colors
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wow shimmer is never pointless ryan. Wow that was mean and right to the point. I dont see how it is pointless, I like it even on my 24 gallon nano! Shimmer is great on my 29 gallon tank as well!


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Well I personally don't care for the shimmer so I always find it pointless. LOL

You could run an Aquatic Life fixture but would want to change the bulbs pretty quickly.
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So Ashley back to the original questions I had for you before giving advice, besides those what is your budget? 
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Originally posted by woottonjeremy woottonjeremy wrote:

So Ashley back to the original questions I had for you before giving advice, besides those what is your budget? 

That is really the info needed. Best usually means expensive IMO
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ha her budget, my back pocket I have the money so I dont have a problem with that. the 55 gallon is a frag tank more for sps frags. The tank is 48"x18"x12"


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Is it 18" front to back or top to bottom?
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18" front to back
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So it is only 12" deep. I would avoid Metal Halide in that case because they penetrate water better than T5.

I will tell you my opinion and what I would do if you are willing to spend $600 on the light. This is top notch if money isn't an issue.

Go get an ATI Sunpower from Reefgeek. Get the 6x54W version. Keep it 12 or so inches off the water surface. You may bleach some things if not carfeul but that is where bulbs come into play. For bulbs I would run this:

ATI Blue Plus
UVL Super Actinic
KZ Fiji Purple
ATI Blue Plus
UVL Super Actinic
ATI Blue Plus

You may have to move the Super Actinic's so they are on by themselves. That way you can take sweet actinic only pictures and give the corals a sweet POP.

My second choice would be to run the Tek 6x54W version. This will be much cheaper but you lose performance. However with the tank only being 12" deep you don't need anything crazy. Run the same bulb combo from above.

The sensible thing to do is get the TEK fixture and with the money saved buy a fan to cool the fixture and buy a Vortech pump to give you sweet flow in the tank to grow those SPS frags.
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thanks a lot Ryan Im building a stand today come next Monday I will be buying light so I will need that in mind   
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Originally posted by Ryan Thompson Ryan Thompson wrote:

Shimmer is pointless on a frag tank! Get a 4 bulb T5 fixture. The TEK or ATI Sunpower will do the trick. Run some good bulbs for sweet colors


Shimmer is never pointless. Aside from the appearance of it, and the way it simulates a natural environment as closely as possible, it has some great features.  One of those is the micropulses of magnified light, something like 200x magnification caused by the water surface magnifying the light. I am not sure on the number, but it was something serious. And it happens something like 10-20 times a second. Again not sure on number. I read it in Eric Borneman's book.

I also feel that MH are more cost effective, depending on the bulb and ballast you choose. t5 lights need replaced every year, and you have several of them, often 4, 6, 8 or more bulbs. MH you need 2. Phoenix 14k are known for lasting a very long time, I replace every 18 months. At $50 each that is much cheaper than t5. t5 runs cooler, so you dont have as much evaporation, which is good, and bad. Its a toss up. Compare the two and see what meets your needs the most. I know someone over in oregon selling 6 bulb t5 fixtures SUPER cheap. Either way I would recommend t5 or MH, giving you the option to keep whatever coral you want, without upgrading later.
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I don't know where everyone got the impression that T5 can't create shimmer. My PC's on my nano even cast a small shimmer. Granted the MH shimmer is much more pronounced in most cases. So the shimmer argument loses all credibility to me.

Ask Keith (chk4tix) if he gets the shimmer with his T5 set up. I bet I know what he will say.
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I will have to agree with Jeremy i like the shimmer look. I too have had power compacts on my tank and i have been able to keep sps and lps and others in it all doing well with good color.  i do like t5s though.  
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I have been thinking about the shimmer aspect and find that if you want shimmer you can get it with any type of light. It is more pronounced with the metal halide lights because the light originates at a single point and radiates out. The ripples in the water intensify the shimmer more the further from the point of origin. Fluorescent lights spread the light across the entire width of the tank. Therefore the shimmer is not so pronounced. I simply aim my power heads at the surface creating a boiling effect at the surface. The more turbulent the surface water the more shimmer
 
I use an Aquatic Life 4 tube T5HO fixture with 2 10K, 2 actinic and led moon lights on my frag tank. Frag tank or display the lighting makes a huge difference in my enjoyment of the tank. By the way I am very happy with my Aquatic Life fixture which comes with cooling fans and 3 built in timers for dawn to dusk lighting.
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Originally posted by Ryan Thompson Ryan Thompson wrote:

I don't know where everyone got the impression that T5 can't create shimmer. My PC's on my nano even cast a small shimmer. Granted the MH shimmer is much more pronounced in most cases. So the shimmer argument loses all credibility to me.

Ask Keith (chk4tix) if he gets the shimmer with his T5 set up. I bet I know what he will say.

I am amazed how many people say that you cant get the shimmer with t5's.  As I have said before, and people who have seen my display tank can verify, most people are surprised when they find out my lighting is t5.   My tank almost as much shimmer as my  2 x 250w mh system.  The only real difference is the mh had more of a "spot light" effect look to the shimmer and the t5's shimmer is cast over the tank.  The shimmer is created by the turbulence on the water, which from everything I have heard, the more turbulence the better in gas exchange.   One of the best parts about t5's is the ability to get amazing colors compared to what I was getting from mh + t5 combo's. 


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Keith good point! It does depend on your water movement. The water just seems to shimmer more with MH for some reason. I laugh because someone says one of the main reasons he doesn't like MH is the shimmer. But like you pointed out and many have before T5s shimmer as well! 
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T5's don't shimmer nearly as much as MH. Yes, they do shimmer but MH will always out shimmer a T5 setup.

There are a TON of other reasons I don't care for MH unless the situation calls for them.
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why ryan i never mentioned your name. Why ever would you have written that response Wink

Just messin with you ryan you know it too! LOL
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