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    Posted: May 17 2015 at 5:35pm
so im building a 210 and was planning on using a standard 75 as a sump in the stand. having it all situated in there now creates a space that is super limited to the point that I dont think it will work. its too tall inside the 36in stand. i have a 40 breeder but that seems entirely too small to be pumping 2400gph through. is there anyone out there that makes a 48x 18 x 18 or a 48 x 16x 18? ive looked at the rs40 ea sumps, but it lacks a space for a refugium... any thoughts, ideas or direction?
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EA makes a separate refuge that you can add to the rs40 that may give you what you're looking for. Did you look at that? EA will also custom make sumps or just about any size.
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i dont see a separate fuge option on his page.
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It's on their facebook page. You can call Tyler anytime and all him about it too. His number is in the lfs section here in the forum.
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Can't go wrong with an EA sump... Have one under my 150 reef right now 😄
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Here is a picture of our add on refugium, they are $230.

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I am  crazy! I am running a 55 gallon sump with refuge for my 55 gallon reef.
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One of the problems with using a display tank as a sump is just what the OP stated - many times display tanks are too tall to be practical. A tall tank underneath the average height stand creates issues with being able to get equipment like skimmers, heaters, and pumps in and out of the sump for cleaning, maintenance, etc.
 
Another problem is most display tanks are glass; which is a bit more difficult to work with when adding baffles, etc to turn the glass display tank into a viable sump tank.
 
A 40g breeder tank is one of the better sizes for sump conversion; it's height is not too restrictive and if you use glass baffles it can work well.


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^^^ agreed 40b has been the best sump size for me.
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Originally posted by nsfw dave nsfw dave wrote:

i have a 40 breeder but that seems entirely too small to be pumping 2400gph through.
There is no reason, biological or practical, why the sump/Refugium needs to have that much water passing through it. Shocked

That's the beauty of the modern propeller pumps pushing massive, healthy amounts of water within the aquarium. The built-in overflow leading to a reasonable size sump/Refugium typically cannot handle, more than 1000 gph. That sort of flow(1000 gph) easily turns over 5x the water of a 210 gal main display in just one short hour. Do the math. For a 210 gal aquarium with LR and LS, that's ~120x turnover per day. More than enough to handle the supplemental filtration activities of a Refugium, a Skimmer and bags of AA and AC placed near the return pump intake screen. 

Remember, more than 85% of filtration in a typical reef aquarium occurs in the LS, LR, LW and algae growing within the display. High water flow within the tank provides the conditions where this live biofiltration can thrive.

The development of the propeller pumps has helped in three important ways regarding the average hobbyist tank(<300 gals).
1) Healthy water flow, somewhat approaching that of the natural ocean can be attained;
2) The use of massive return pumps and associated overflows has been eliminated; and
3) The former "closed loop circulation" technique with it's pump/piping and numerous holes drilled into the glass has been eliminated.

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i dont think itll really be seeing 2400gph, my return pump is a mag 24 but still have to take in account head height, and running a manifold. Itll also be going through 2 sea swirls.
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