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    Posted: April 13 2008 at 11:05pm
Simple Mangroves 1.0 (too simple, i.e. cheap)
I started by buying 21 mangrove sprouts for $9.99 plus shipping ($22 total) from http://stores.ebay.com/PACIFIC-SEEDS
I found out that these were sprouted in fresh water so I set up a two-bucket system with a heater and a powerhead to slowly bring these sprouts to 1.025 s.g. The only one that had leaves before it was shipped seems to be the only one that is sure to die; its leaves were broken. It is probably best to get them shipped without leaves or before sprouting.
In the bucket refugium I have a DSB. Deep sand of 6-8 inches. If it were finer sand I would need less. If it were crushed coral or rock rubble I don't think it would matter how deep but you might have to take it offline to clean it sooner. You would not get denitrification from rock rubble or crushed coral unless the mangroves take it out of the system.
They were doing very well and I looked at the roots to see growth. In hindsight I should have never messed with the roots if I wanted optimum growth. I know this because I watched leaves die after moving roots around but changing little else. So it's a good plan to have an idea of the final destination of your trees before you start anything. Then try not to mess with the sprouts until they have grown quite a bit. I have read that if you buy them non-sprouted then you can put them right into 1.025 s.g. water and so have everything ready before they sprout. This would be best so you don't have to move them or mess with them in any way until they get established. Here is a picture, but you should know that the roots grow much more than this and I have heard they can break almost any container. This is after just a few days.
Simple Mangroves 1.1 (a little better)
After a month my s.g. was to 1.025 so I could hook the bucket into my system. I found that my plumbing caused some bubbles I did not plan on. I had to change my bucket system. This is when I realized that a bulkhead fitting can save a lot of headache and is worth the cost. It can work nicely on a bucket as long as it is placed where the bucket has some flexibility. I used a bigger bucket with extra head space for bubble splatter and this is what I came up with.
As you can see, my mangroves are growing and have been at 1.025 s.g. for almost two weeks now. I have them in a window and also under a grow light.
The plumbing is really the hardest part of setting this up. I had noise and had to add a small air tube into my drain to quiet the noise.
You might have noticed the spray bottle next to the bucket. If you decide to grow mangroves, it is a good idea to have a spray bottle ($1, dollar store) filled with fresh water. You do this for two reasons. First because these trees are used to high humidity. Second because they leech salt out of the leaves and you must wash it off.
Please post any questions. I will probably have to fix this and continue to update as I go. Thanks.


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Thumbs%20Up Woot woot! I got mangroves on the way, this thread is just in time! Thank you!
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I've got my first branch. Of the original 21 mangroves I have 19 growing nicely. One mangrove in the center of the bucket, getting the most of the inexpensive 23 watt bulb, has branched its first branch. I still have a few for sale.
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Here are some that I last grew. I think these were about 6-12 mos old at the time.
 
When they grew to tall for the inside of the tall stand, I just cut them off and they grew branches from the next lower leaf joint.
See the salt spots on the leaves. I sprayed them about monthly. It was very hot and humid. About 100 degrees at night when the lights were on.
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Below is one of my most favorite pictures. Two months ago I had the opportunity to visit Costa Rica (north border of Panama)on business. My wife and I were being wined and dined. We were taken down to the yacht on the river. I started to notice all these small and large trees growing around in the rocks and mud. All of a sudden my mind had an epithany!Shocked Those are Mangroves trees. Then I started seeing Mangrove seed pods all over in various stages of growth. Some partially sprouted and some trees just a foot or two tall. Oh I cannot describe how terribly my heart ached to take some home.Cry
 
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Very nice photo! I wish I could be there.
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I am finding that these growth protection shells are a good thing to remove.
They fall off into the water if left alone.
This is how the bunch is looking now. I think it might help with cooling the system. I'll keep my fingers crossed that I don't overheat.
 
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I have over 100 mangroves sprouting their first leaves at the moment. Mangroves will grow very fast if given the right conditions. I've had some grow over 3 feet in a single year.

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I want to buy some =)
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Originally posted by NickinSandy NickinSandy wrote:

I want to buy some =)


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I wonder how much filtration this is doing and if it is even close to its potential. I suspect far off if given more light. This is it now.
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Totally cool, MadReefer Clap
 
I got some mangrove sprouts off of Eva a couple of weeks back and put them in my sump... I should check for sprouting leaves; If I'm lucky I may have a few already Big%20smile
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Just read your bit on mangroves. My friend traded me 2 sprouts i guess you would call them for some live sand. Never thought to ask questions so i just stick them in my filter. They have since started to grow leaves. They are in my sump. Would really like to know what i should be doing with these. how big they get and how do they propogate or is there something i have to do to help them? Any info would greatly help. Im a begginer.
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I took out some of the sand so that the roots would be more exposed to the water.
I still think it's a good idea to take these new growth shells off before they fall off naturally. It might even help the leaves open up faster.
They are still doing very well.
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So, can you have mangroves with your SW setup and not have it scream "ghetto!" to anyone who walks into the house?  I'd never get away with having 5g buckets with plants growing out of them.
 
Does anyone have pics of a mangrove setup they are doing that is not just cool, but looks good too?
 
Also, when I read the title of this thread, I was hoping to read characteristics of the mangrove that would make it desireable over other fuge plants.  Maybe that was just a faulty assumption on my part that there was something special or unique.
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Originally posted by vadryn vadryn wrote:

So, can you have mangroves with your SW setup and not have it scream "ghetto!" to anyone who walks into the house?  I'd never get away with having 5g buckets with plants growing out of them.
 
Does anyone have pics of a mangrove setup they are doing that is not just cool, but looks good too?
 
Also, when I read the title of this thread, I was hoping to read characteristics of the mangrove that would make it desireable over other fuge plants.  Maybe that was just a faulty assumption on my part that there was something special or unique.
 
 
Here's my mangroves... I guess they are "ghetto" since my whole sump is basically "ghetto" LOL:
 
 
 
I am not a botanist or a biochemist so honestly I can't recite the "advantages" of mangroves (if any) over other refugium choices... I would assume, though, that like the macroalgeas  mangroves do aid somewhat in overall nutrient export by taking up nutrients out of the water and using them to build tissue. Do they do it "better" or target "different" nutrients than macros do? I don't know...
 
Me, I'm just a fan of using as many of the (reasonable) means as I can to make the aquarium enviroment as stable and "livestock-friendly" as possible. And (to me) adding a few mangroves into my fuge seems reasonable...
 
 
 
 
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Hey - it's a whole different ballgame when it's hidden in your stand or in a sumpr room.  sitting on the floor in plain view next to the tank is what I was remarking on.
 
We could argue that a SW Reef tank is one of the most beautiful and amazing things you could display in your house.  5g bucket is like mounting some pea gravel in your wife's wedding ring.
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What is the best color of light to have on mangroves. Right now I have a 6500k flourecent beaming down upon them, but if my memory recalls, I believe plants need more of the red spectrum than they do the blue. Does anybody know if this is true?
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What kind of lighting do you have over them? .. I would LOVE to get my hands on a few of them .. however I need to know more about them first ...
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