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    Posted: April 17 2011 at 10:11pm
So while trying to hide my jealousy/desire for one of Tylers new skimmers, I'm looking to 'squeak' a little more from my ASM skimmer.

I already have the gate valve, mesh mod and turned the input to face down with an elbow.. but wonder if there is more.  The venturi seems too narrow (the walls to thin) to drill out further without damaging it and the 'dremel the housing' I'm getting too.  I'm wondering if anyone has done a bubble plate to slow the turbulence down and let the bubbles float up like they do in tylers skimmers.  turning down the spout of the inlet helped, but they still swirl away pretty randomly to close to the top.

Bubble plate was my next experiment for the skimmer, thoughts?


Edited by philhender - April 17 2011 at 10:12pm
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That seems like a good idea to me I can't see any cons. If you want more production out of a asm . You could always try the recirculation mod. Or fishoutofwater does a mod where you bore out the inside of the sedra pump a little. He claims it does more than all the other asm mods combined.
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Phil I will take that as a complement The problem with ASM's is mainly the Sedra pumps, they just don't push a lot of water therefore they don't suck in a lot of air. The G1x has a Sedra 3500 which is only a 350gph pump. In my opinon the reason you are starting to see bubble plates on a lot of the newer skimmers is the fact that companies are putting pumps on skimmers now that are pumping 700+ gph into skimmer bodies. The added gph of the pumps are allowing more air to be sucked into the pump but also make the inside of the skimmer body much more turbulent and thats why you are seeing much bigger necks on skimmers as well as the bubble plate. If you take my CS-150 cone for instance, it is using the Sicce PSK-1000 pump which is pumping 880gph if you tried to run that skimmer without a bubble plate theres no way it would keep a stable head of foam with that much water going through it. On your ASM at 350 gph, I am not sure it would do a whole lot performance wise, ASM's really don't have a unstable head of foam out of the box. I would be curious to see if it would help any, but like I said I am not sure if all the work would be worth it in the end. If you really want to up its performace slap a Sicce PSK-600 to it with a bubble plate
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Definatley a BIG compliment Tyler!Clap your work is amazing and very thought out! I'd like to find a way like you in this hobby to hopefully make money at what I love and enjoy!

It is a Sedra 3500... so that makes sense.. but with the turbulence I see, I feel by adding a bigger pump with more gph will just cause more turbulence and may not be much improvement until turbulence is under control (eggcrate baffles? stabbing...Ermm).  In the back of my head I see there is plenty of room in the body if the turbulence were not there.  Thats why I have the thought of bubble plate.  Just by adding the elbow and pointing it down, it slowed the turbulence a little and produced a little better.  I may toy with an acrylic container from the DI.. that way I'm only out a buck or two to see if the concept of it is even worth pursuing.

I think the key is like you said.. 'stable head of foam'... or a CS-150 Thumbs Up
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I have an idea for your bubble plate if you want to try it . What size is the pvc pipe coming into the body off of the pump?
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that's the question of the day, it's thin wall, so not sure the actual inner or outer diameter... BUT when putting the down spout on it, I used 1" PVC and trimmed the inside just enough to get it to slip over the input pipe.  So with the 'adapter' standard 1"PVC pipe and fittings work.  Interested to see/hear your thoughts.  I'll try anything :D

On a side note, thinking of the future, what do you think your CS-150 is able to handle effectively? 150g?  My build is a 125 with 55 sump that will probably run at 30-35g, so a total of 155g to 160g running.  
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This was a g1x skimmer I had with a sedra 3500 pump. I did port the pump output, on nearly every pump I have done this and checked with my airflow meter I have doubled the airflow, sometimes even a little more than double. The bubble plate absolutely cut down on turbulance in the skimmer body. The meter shows air at ~15scfh, it would run about 19 with mesh instead of the pinwheel. Hope this helps.


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Phil, yeah the CS-150 will handle that size fine. Is your skimmer running now or just sitting?
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it's running... ^^^^^ fishoutawater has a bubbleplate Thumbs Up I thought I remembered seeing this somewhere...  It's no problem to take out.. sorta.  my bio-load is light, only 5 fish in the 55g.

Tyler, your idea similar? I've also contemplated 'replacing' the airline barb on the venturi to handle slightly larger diameter hose.  Thoughts like these literally keep me up all night. Sleepy
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increasing the size of the air barb will make no difference, I have tested that as well. The pumps can't pull enough air for that to be an issue. Just ream out the one you have with a drill bit barely larger than the hole.
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