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Topic: help please !
Posted By: nottinainthere
Subject: help please !
Date Posted: February 15 2004 at 6:18am

 I'm dead. My brother got me into deep trouble. he's a jerk. he bought a jellyfish. it is so terrible.  i think it'll die very soon. what im more concern is that it'll give out poison. and it is constantly stucking at the filter so i had to off the power now. untill i get a divider to divide the filter away from the jellyfish.  help what should i do he even bought a clark's clownfish. it seems like it's limping all the time . help help should i keep it or i should perform euthanesia. it is impossible to return pets to the shop. please help.  i know i'm asking really weird questions but it's all because of my stupid brother.



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Posted By: ssilcox
Date Posted: February 15 2004 at 7:21am
Is your tank cycled yet? What are the water parameters?


Posted By: Carl
Date Posted: February 15 2004 at 7:31am
Most likely, with all due respect, you are not prepared to keep the jelly. Take it back to the LFS as soon as you can IMO. Jelly fish are NOT compatible with a standard reef setup. Actually, they are not reef compatible at all. They are generally a deeper water animal and the survival rate in a home aquarium is dismal. What store sold you a Jelly?

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Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: February 15 2004 at 8:24am

Originally posted by Carl Carl wrote:

Jelly fish are NOT compatible with a standard reef setup. Actually, they are not reef compatible at all. They are generally a deeper water animal and the survival rate in a home aquarium is dismal.

Hmmm, disagree here.  I think Jellies are found all over reef systems, and I wouldn't hesitate to put them in my tank.  Only a couple of us have had them, but we have always loved them.  Mark had this big blue jelly for a while that was awesome.  Cassiopea jellies are quite common, and people consider them reef safe.
I do agree that their survival rate is dismal, but then again 90% of our fish don't live a year either.

Adam



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Posted By: Carl
Date Posted: February 15 2004 at 8:43am

Hhhhmmm.... perhaps I am misinformed. I will read up on it and re-evaluate my opinion. Any time I have seen jellies they have been in more open water, even when I lived in Florida. True, it depends on the species and some will move to shallower water at times, but I never noticed them swimming along a reef.  I thought that they require special conditions not often found in a home reef, and I cannot remember their food source. I know that my reef is not suitable for one and I am not ready to host one. I have considered a jelly tank at some point in the future, but I have much to learn first.

I did see the most beautiful jelly display at the Texas State Aquarium in Corpus Christi. They had several varieties there and it was incredible to see. If you are ever in the neighborhood...



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Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: February 15 2004 at 9:08am

Somehow that not-reef compatible doesn't fly with me.  I've seen so many on reefs, and even been stung by them while diving in lagoons.  Food source is a big deal with jellies if you ask me.  I think people can't keep them because of lack of food.  But if you are one those many people in our club culturing rotifers or phyto then I think you would be fine. 
Also, I think the other big jelly killers are powerheads and overflows.  That, may be a great reason to not buy one.  Most of us just have too much thrashing and motion for the jellies. 
So I guess I should say that I wouldn't recommend buying them for your reef tank, not because of damage to your reef, but because of damage to the jelly.

Adam 



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Posted By: Carl
Date Posted: February 15 2004 at 9:19am

OK, spent some time researching... I found a few good links and ywo of the easiest reads are http://www.aquarium-design.com/jellyfish.htm - http://www.aquarium-design.com/jellyfish.htm  and http://jellieszone.com/jelliesportal.htm - http://jellieszone.com/jelliesportal.htm

Live plankton is a good food source for most but live baby brine may work as well. Some are also photosynthetic. The biggest concern to me regarding jellies in a home aquarium is that most often require cold temperatures at 50-60 degrees. This is how I remember them and why I said that you won't often find them on a reef. But, don't always believe what you read. Maybe it is possible to keep one responsibly. It appears that the cassiopea MAY be an exception.

Originally posted by Adam Blundell Adam Blundell wrote:

I do agree that their survival rate is dismal, but then again 90% of our fish don't live a year either. 

 



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Posted By: Will Spencer
Date Posted: February 15 2004 at 9:19am
Most public aquariums keep Jelly Fish in cylindrical tanks so they don't get stuck in the corners of square tanks.  Sometimes they get in a corner and can't figure out that the they need to get out.


Posted By: Jake Pehrson
Date Posted: February 16 2004 at 8:13am
Originally posted by Adam Blundell Adam Blundell wrote:

Originally posted by Carl Carl wrote:

Jelly fish are NOT compatible with a standard reef setup. Actually, they are not reef compatible at all. They are generally a deeper water animal and the survival rate in a home aquarium is dismal.

Hmmm, disagree here.  I think Jellies are found all over reef systems, and I wouldn't hesitate to put them in my tank.  Only a couple of us have had them, but we have always loved them.  Mark had this big blue jelly for a while that was awesome.  Cassiopea jellies are quite common, and people consider them reef safe.
I do agree that their survival rate is dismal, but then again 90% of our fish don't live a year either.

Adam

Although I agree that Jellies are sometimes found in reefs and maybe reef compatible.  I don't think they are reef aquarium compatible (except for Cassiopeia andromeda the Upside Down Jellyfish).  Jelly fish usually need a cylindrical tank with a very low waterflow.  Most reef aquariums are a square aquarium with high waterflow.



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Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: February 16 2004 at 11:25am

Jake,

In a later post I did say that I wouldn't recommend them for the reasons of high water flow and dangers impellers and things like that.  I agree with what you just said.

Adam



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Posted By: Jake Pehrson
Date Posted: February 16 2004 at 12:10pm

True,

Then I agree with what you said.



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Posted By: Carl
Date Posted: February 16 2004 at 1:07pm

I agree that Jake agrees with Adam who agrees to disagree.

I like jelly on toast!



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Posted By: Richard L.
Date Posted: February 16 2004 at 1:41pm
Ohh, pleeeze.  Lets not start that eating thing again guys.

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Posted By: nottinainthere
Date Posted: February 17 2004 at 2:50am

ok sorry i am so sorry for not replying. i wanted to come in here yeterday but i cant get into the site.
1st. my tank is fully cycled
2nd. the parameters are fine
3rd. i do not live in states so even if i said the shop of the name which i dunnoe either it serves no use and they would never take back sold pets. they're afraid of diesease and stuff
4th. it's a really common jellyfish. like a totally white one with some spongy legs at the bottom really most common one. i was told there are also blue ones.
5th i dun have a reef tank it's a FO tank. but i'm afraid it'll hurt my fish i got 3 chromis. and my brother bought a clark's clownfish and this jellyfish without my permission so i guess my tank is overcrowded now. it's a 16 gallons tank.but i'm just afraid it'll hurt my other chromis. thought it did not do anything i saw it got stuck to my filters a few times. so i pushed it away. my brother then bought this new pump so something that sucks water through a sponge. i really don't know what to do now. i cant keep it neither can i return it....



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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 19 2004 at 6:11pm
A sponge around the intake of all power heads is the best thing you could do for the Jellyfish.

It will probably live for a while if you can feed it. It likes really small live zooplankton. Thats the microscopic bugs in the ocean. If you can't collect or grow zooplankton (rotifers are good), find some frozen meaty fish food (brine shrimp) and pulverize it by smashing it while it's frozen and again as it thaws. Your fish will eat the larger particles and the jelly will catch the smaller particles. Target feed the Jelly if you can. Target feed means to squirt the cloudy pulverized food at it's tentacles.

I doubt that it will hurt your fish. Healthy fish do not usually get caught by inverts, and I include anemones in that statement.

Healthy Jellyfish on the other hand, are often caught by coral. I had a bluish colored common jelly that was doing very well, even growing larger tentacles, until it got caught by a large button polyp/Palythoa. It was caught for at least eight hours and did not survive after I carefully extricated it from the offending coral!

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Posted By: nottinainthere
Date Posted: February 23 2004 at 3:42am
thanks alot. i hope it doesnt die soon i bought the sponge to help it. also when i got it from my brother he bought the jelyfish food so i guess food is settled though very much that i hope i could return it which i cant it seems to be fine living in my tank so i guess i'll keep it. and yeah it often gets stuck at the upper end of the filter so i had to wrap it with some kinda white sponge from the top filter. it's doing fine now atleast but the fishes seems to be scared of it. they would avoid it when it comes near. that gives me this feeling that the jellyfish must have been mean. anyway my chromis are doing really well. the color seems to be really pale though . sometimes a little dark green. it doesnt look really attractive but i still love them. well it would be better if they could enhance the color. but does any1 knows how ?

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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 23 2004 at 7:10am
Great Salt Lake Brine Shrimp!

Since you aren't in Utah or near the Dead Sea(I assume BS are there too ), just buy frozen Brine Shrimp, the pigments in Brine Shrimp transfer into good coloration in fish.

Also, if you feed green and red algae in their diet like Nori (Fruit Rollups for fish!) they will do better. A friend had a pale white Yellow Tang that acquired normal coloration when he made sure his flake food had plenty of green flakes. The green flakes are usually Spirulina, a very common algae made into fish food. In fact, for flake food I use 75% Spirulina.

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Posted By: nottinainthere
Date Posted: February 23 2004 at 11:37pm

ohh ok i got frozen brine shrimp, frozen mysis shrimp and this fish pellets. it's this really weird brand from chin i guess hmm let me read the ingredients

fish protein , quality white fish meal , krill , carotene , spirulina , shrimp meat , yolk meal , algae meal , wheat germ , dried yeast , soybean meal , wheat flour , antarctic shrimps , protease , stablle multi vitamin and mineral, lecithin , immune substance , citric acid , calcium , enzyme , organic minerals vegetable extracts.

it's kinda cheap like 40g for U$2. so is these good or shouls i get those that you mentioned ?



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Posted By: nottinainthere
Date Posted: February 23 2004 at 11:38pm
*chin = china

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Posted By: nottinainthere
Date Posted: February 23 2004 at 11:39pm
shouls = should

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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 24 2004 at 3:58pm
I believe that more algae is needed. Note that algae was mentioned only twice in those ingredients!

It seems wise to me, to have algae make up 50% of the food.

Since you live in an asian country, what we call Nori should be available in the grocery store. The edible dried seaweed sheets they use for wrapping meat and veggies. I hope you can find what I'm talking about. Maybe someone else can describe it better.

my 2 cents

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Posted By: nottinainthere
Date Posted: February 26 2004 at 5:00am

hey hey i know... is it the seaweed wrapper to wrap the japanese food thing... theres it everywhere if thats what you're saying. but is that food healthy ? it's kinda popular here people just buy the instant ones and eat it plain. but it's spinkled with salt so i'm afraid it'll damage the water. but theres another kind where it's totally plain just use for making the sushi. so i guess you're saying the second one./ if i were to get that how often should i feed the fish?

p.s. thanks again mark for answering my question... btw if i were to get a bigger tank later in the year how big of a tank should i get. i was thinking of upgrading my fish tank



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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 26 2004 at 10:58am
Yes the plain stuff is perfect. Feed the fish as much as they want. It's totally healthy for them. We use a special clip around here that is made with a suction cup for sticking on the glass. You can also use a small rock, wrap it with a piece of the algae sheet and place a clean elastic around it and drop it in the tank. It's easy to retrieve if you tie a length of fishing line or polyester thread to it.

Get a 3000 gal tank so you can go snorkeling!

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Posted By: nottinainthere
Date Posted: February 26 2004 at 10:07pm

ok... thanks... but heh? 3000 gallons ?   hmmm ok..... but seriously i was thinking of getting a 60 - 120 gallons 1 piece glass tank. but i guess i'll have to start saving now anyway i couldnt get the suction thing because i dunnoe what is it is there any picture where i could see it ? or not i could just tie it to a rock. but elastic ?? is it rubberband ?

 

oh and the other time i told you 'bout the geoliquid it's made from japan and once you put it in it'll turn the water cloudy but te cloudness will disappear overnight and it's something like a all-in-one suppplient. it would kill harmful bacterials and would increase or decrease the parameters untill it's perfect.



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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 27 2004 at 7:18am
I was just kidding about the 3000 gal tank

Elastic, rubber band, it's the same thing. Do a www search for "algae clip" and you will probably see it.

If you are not testing your water parameters and don't know that something is out of balance, why would you add some product to make it in balance?

You may want to stop adding that stuff and observe whether your aquarium changes. After 2-7 days, if it doesn't change, then you didn't need to add the supplement in the first place.

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Posted By: nottinainthere
Date Posted: February 28 2004 at 12:18am

yeah i know you're kidding... but sorry i never came before the word elastic to be used as rubber band in singapore we don't use it oh but it's only like few hours to aussie hm so btw  i know i add it only when i change or refill the water. and i kinda got ph , ammonia , nitrite and nitrate tests only. is that sufficient ?  or do i need to get more ... oh i i'll be getting the corals next week. so do i need anymore test for the corals >? 

btw how do you change the location ...? i randomly placed my locations the other time



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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 28 2004 at 7:31am
It is difficult to know whether I am helping you. You ask a question and then bounce to another topic without either following my advice or without fully answering my questions designed to help you. Now you sort of throw in a statement that you are getting "the corals" next week.
Good luck

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Posted By: nottinainthere
Date Posted: February 28 2004 at 5:47pm

oops sorry i guess it's sort of a bad habit... sorry ok i'll keep to one question. 

first.  i placed the nori in already with the rubberband. thanks. the fish shop doesnt seem to sell the clip i saw in on the website you told me how to go.but i dunnoe why is the fishing line useful for as in it's easier accesible to the food but why do i need to take it out ?

and i was just saying the corals thing cos' i've said it in the previous thread that i'm gonna get it but i havent get it till now so next week i'll go get it. really sorry if i've made things difficult round here



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