Nice freshwater fish
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Topic: Nice freshwater fish
Posted By: dkle
Subject: Nice freshwater fish
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 12:06am
I know this is due to selective breeding, but the fish is so beautiful it takes my breath away. Anybody know if we have any of these in the States? D@mn Germans; always have to be best in all things aquatics .http://www.pbase.com/plantella/image/39899709 - http://www.pbase.com/plantella/image/39899709 ------------- If you can't bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs! Dinhkim Le - Procrastinator extra-ordinare |
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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 12:32am
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I have no idea but it is a pretty fish.
Mike -------------  |
Posted By: mardoc9024
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 11:39am
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You can find these in the US, However, they are very hard to come by and in my experience with them in the past I had a difficult time getting them to eat. They are a straain of African Chiclid that has been breed to have more vibrant colors. I think I paid around $100 for them 3 years ago when I was in Flkorida if they are the exact same species.
Steve ------------- 210 reef marastar 250w lighting Midvale 879-9322 |
Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 12:12pm
No offense, but I think it's an abomination. 
Aulonocara sp. are not supposed to look like that. ------------- Jon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6y_EzjI_ljbIwf2n5uNzTw" rel="nofollow - What I've been doing... |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 12:24pm
Ah! here come the hobby purists . Since when do you side with Adam?------------- If you can't bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs! Dinhkim Le - Procrastinator extra-ordinare |
Posted By: cl2ysta1
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 12:27pm
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most cichlids are beautiful. i love them ------------- I <3 Boxers Achilles tang lover |
Posted By: cl2ysta1
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 12:28pm
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selective breeding at its finest :) ------------- I <3 Boxers Achilles tang lover |
Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 12:34pm
Hold the phone!!...
Adam doesn't like it? I changed my mind. That's the most beautiful fish I've ever seen. Sign me up for a couple! ------------- Jon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6y_EzjI_ljbIwf2n5uNzTw" rel="nofollow - What I've been doing... |
dkle wrote:Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 12:50pm
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Now that's what I wanna hear.
I don't know for sure; but Adam usually hate these "pretty but unatural' things, doesn't he? ------------- If you can't bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs! Dinhkim Le - Procrastinator extra-ordinare |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 2:46pm
Steve, Thanks for the info. Do you know under what name these fish are sold? I would like to find out more about them; but can't even begin the search. ------------- If you can't bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs! Dinhkim Le - Procrastinator extra-ordinare |
Posted By: Jamison
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 2:53pm
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Kill them all before they continue breeding! I know I already voiced my opinion in the other freshwater thread, so I'll just say, "Them're purty fishies." Good luck finding them Dinhkim. ------------- Educate. Inspire. Conserve. http://[email protected] |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 2:59pm
What can I say Jamison? except for that I am proud to be superficial . I like all things pretty. I don't even have a cichlid tank; but man if I can get my hands on these, I'll set up a tank just for them. ------------- If you can't bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs! Dinhkim Le - Procrastinator extra-ordinare |
Posted By: mardoc9024
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 3:08pm
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I will call the store that I bought them from. He keeps records of every fish that someone buys. I will get the name and PM you with the results.
Steve ------------- 210 reef marastar 250w lighting Midvale 879-9322 |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 3:09pm
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thanks Steve
------------- If you can't bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs! Dinhkim Le - Procrastinator extra-ordinare |
Posted By: superman1981
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 3:24pm
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Sure they're pretty, but do they run into the side of the tank, each other, substrate, rock work and so on? With all the inbreeding these guys have gone through, there has to be some kind of "deficiency" somewhere...
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Posted By: mardoc9024
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 4:14pm
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From what I remember on these fish, they were a cross between a Johani Chiclid and a Discus, but I can not remember for sure. The Germans do a lot of cross breeding with Discus because they love the coloration on them. But the problem with the discus is that they are so fragile. That is why they have been doing a lot of cross breeding with other species to create a more hardier species with the same coloration.
Steve ------------- 210 reef marastar 250w lighting Midvale 879-9322 |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 4:24pm
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Are you serious? That just doesn't seem plausible. Now I definitely have to find out about them. And if they turn out to be a hybrid, maybe i don't want them after all.
------------- If you can't bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs! Dinhkim Le - Procrastinator extra-ordinare |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 4:46pm
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http://www.fire-fish.de/ - http://www.fire-fish.de/ Here is the website. Even with translation, the read doesn't make much sense to me; but it seems that they are selectively bred, not crossbred. ------------- If you can't bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs! Dinhkim Le - Procrastinator extra-ordinare |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 4:50pm
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Alright, they are expensive, but not that expensive. 18 bucks a piece. http://www.cichlids.net/pages/fish.php?gid=2&t=Lake+Malawi - http://www.cichlids.net/pages/fish.php?gid=2&t=Lake+Malawi ------------- If you can't bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs! Dinhkim Le - Procrastinator extra-ordinare |
Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 5:02pm
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Maybe Shane H. can help with the translation.
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Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 5:22pm
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I really doubt they're a cross breed. They appear to have the same body shape as any other Aulonocara sp (as opposed to the horrid blood parrot cichlid). Just selectively bred for red. ------------- Jon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6y_EzjI_ljbIwf2n5uNzTw" rel="nofollow - What I've been doing... |
Posted By: Jamison
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 5:36pm
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The page doesn't explain the species or breeding at all.
------------- Educate. Inspire. Conserve. http://[email protected] |
Posted By: mardoc9024
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 5:37pm
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Like I said it was a long time ago and I could have been mistaken on the cross breeding. ------------- 210 reef marastar 250w lighting Midvale 879-9322 |
Posted By: mardoc9024
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 7:12pm
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I just got a call back from the store in Florida that sold me the fish. It was not the same one as you were speaking of, mine was a cross breed of a discus and a johanni. Very similar as the one you were looking at.
Steve ------------- 210 reef marastar 250w lighting Midvale 879-9322 |
Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 8:27pm
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Wow, I wouldn't have thought that a S. American could breed successfully with an African. All this talk about cichlids makes me want to set up a mbuna tank...
------------- Jon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6y_EzjI_ljbIwf2n5uNzTw" rel="nofollow - What I've been doing... |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: December 10 2007 at 9:03pm
You mean a Mbuna tank full of German-bred, red as can be, Firefish Aulonocara sp .Steve, thanks for making the phone call. I never would have thought that was possible. ------------- If you can't bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs! Dinhkim Le - Procrastinator extra-ordinare |
Posted By: Aquatic Evolution
Date Posted: December 11 2007 at 6:34pm
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Dinhkim; We had some that were nearly the same. They were slightly more orange than red, but very close. $12.99
Sorry, I will let you know if I receive more.
Shawn
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Posted By: pkut
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 12:29pm
Here is a picture of one of my females that is holding 
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Posted By: kdinkel
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 3:47pm
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Okay, finally a topic I can talk about (12 years of cichlid breeding before I just recently went to salt). If that is the fish I think it is, it is also know as a strawberry peacock. They are for sale on aquabid fairly often. As for line breeding in cichlids, it is hugely common. Try german red peacocks, ruby red (rubescens), demasoni (for clean bars), yellow labs, just to name a few. There is a huge article on utahaquatics relating to it. I will post a link, but it went pretty far to explain why line breeding has not caused issues. Pretty informative. As for cross breeding, I am not into that.
If you are curious here is a link to my photobucket album that has pics of some of the fish I sold when I went salt (I made enough from them to pay for my salt water setup):
http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/kdinkel/cichlids/ - http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/kdinkel/cichlids/
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