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Topic: What am I?
Posted By: jfinch
Subject: What am I?
Date Posted: October 03 2004 at 3:33pm

I noticed this very fleshy invert in my tank this morning just before the lights came on.  I reached in and picked it up.  It immediately split into two pieces .  The fleshy part didn't appear to have any eyes/mouth/tenticles... anything but muscle.  Was it just a "sacrificial tail" similar to a lizard?  As you can see the invert has an external shell shaped very similar to a lima bean (abalone?). 



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Jon

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Posted By: Weimers
Date Posted: October 03 2004 at 3:41pm

I have some that look like that, too.  Some have black shells and bodies, and others have a coppery colored shell and light bodies.   Wish I could tell you what they are.

Renee



Posted By: SSpargur
Date Posted: October 03 2004 at 3:55pm

I am a Stomatella Varia.

 

Stomatella_varia.jpg
Stomatella_varia_1.jpg



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Sean Spargur
West Valley, UT


Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: October 03 2004 at 4:25pm
Thanks Sean.  I think you ID'd him.  So... is it normal for them to lose that fleshy apendage when disturbed like that?

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Jon

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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: October 03 2004 at 4:31pm
Losing their tail is a new one on me. Maybe you have one of those marine lizardy thingarporaies.

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Posted By: Weimers
Date Posted: October 03 2004 at 4:33pm

I think you killed him.

Just my opinion, though.  Not that you meant to kill 'im.



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Renee and Damon Weimer
Tankless in Hawaii


Posted By: SSpargur
Date Posted: October 03 2004 at 5:49pm
I think that you killed him too.  I've never seen one detach from their shell.

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Sean Spargur
West Valley, UT


Posted By: SSpargur
Date Posted: October 03 2004 at 6:43pm
Renee - I have a feeling he grabbed it with those tweezers.

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Sean Spargur
West Valley, UT


Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: October 03 2004 at 9:45pm

Are you saying I have a heavy hand?

Honestly, it came apart on it's own.  Almost like it was two separate critters.  If that killed it, I'm not sure how they would survive in the wilds.



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Jon

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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: October 04 2004 at 4:33am
Hmmm...
Just curious, what did you do with it after the photo?

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Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: October 04 2004 at 7:10am
I put him back into the tank.  Actually I put him into the refugium.  He acted none the less for wear.  He immediately attached to a rock and started crusing.  I threw away the part on the right.  It wiggled (like a lizards tail ) for about 5 minutes, but then hardened up and stopped so it went into the garbage.

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Jon

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Posted By: SSpargur
Date Posted: October 04 2004 at 7:39am

Originally posted by jfinch jfinch wrote:

I put him back into the tank.  Actually I put him into the refugium.  He acted none the less for wear.  He immediately attached to a rock and started crusing.  I threw away the part on the right.  It wiggled (like a lizards tail ) for about 5 minutes, but then hardened up and stopped so it went into the garbage.

Very interesting!  That's a new one on me.  I have a ton of these in my refugium and I've never seen them do that.  Maybe it was 2 separate creatures?  Time for me to do some more reading on them!



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Sean Spargur
West Valley, UT


Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: October 04 2004 at 6:01pm
Originally posted by SSpargur SSpargur wrote:

Maybe it was 2 separate creatures?� Time for me to do some more reading on them!
So far I've only seen one in my new system, but if I had some I'd probably do an amputation right now and then put both parts in a cup of water or back in the tank to see what happens: or

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Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: October 04 2004 at 6:13pm

I saw three more last night.  If they come out again tonight I'll pull another off the rocks and look closer... wish me luck



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Posted By: SSpargur
Date Posted: October 04 2004 at 6:53pm

They are awesome detrivores.  I would say they are my favorite snail.  When you pick them up out of the tank they will crawl across your hand.  Pretty cool dudes.



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Sean Spargur
West Valley, UT


Posted By: acerob
Date Posted: October 05 2004 at 1:09pm

John,

I think that I got a couple from you in the sand that you gave me.  I saw one a couple of nights ago.  "what the he!! is that,  I know that I haven't bought any of those"  they look cool though.



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Highland, UT

12g Nano

90g Reef


Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: October 05 2004 at 1:23pm



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Jon

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Posted By: Richard L.
Date Posted: October 05 2004 at 10:45pm
My wrasses love it when I pick up a Stomatella.  That fleshy "tail" serves exactly the function a lizard tail does when they "automize" theiir tail.  The predator is distracted, fed and the prey runs away to (grow another "tail") live another day.

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Richard
Alpine, UT


Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: October 06 2004 at 7:23am
Richard... so I'm not crazy?  Wooh hooh!!!  I was beginning to wonder

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Jon

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Posted By: jglover
Date Posted: October 06 2004 at 11:44am

Don't judge so quickly Jon

We have all been talking about a snail for the past 3 days



Posted By: Richard L.
Date Posted: October 06 2004 at 2:40pm

***Notice***  Thread hijack . . .

Hey Jon, I heard your Leopard Wrasse finally turned up.  Mine went i nthe tank and immediately dove in the substrate.  I saw him briefly once two days later- the Ornate and the Four-Line were both on him.  I have not seen him since. I hope to have the same results you seem to have had. . . . 



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Richard
Alpine, UT


Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: October 06 2004 at 7:05pm

Yes... kinda... I still don't know

About a week or two after I put him in the tank I came home from work to find him swimming around but still being harassed by the six-line.  He then disappeared for another couple days before briefly reapearing again.  As of right now I haven't seen him in a few days.  What a strange fish!



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Jon

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Posted By: SSpargur
Date Posted: October 19 2004 at 10:27am

Jon - It appears that losing the appendage is normal for the Stomatella varia.

I found this info in a article by Shimek:

Stomatella varia (Figure 11)

Almost slug-like, but possessing an auriform, cap-like shell, individuals of Stomatella seem unlikely to be Trochoideans. However odd their appearance, their internal anatomy puts them squarely in this group. Stomatella individuals may reach lengths of about an inch and a quarter (3 cm), and as their specific name of "varia" implies, they may be almost any color, although gray, black, and mottled colors tend to predominate. They are quite good grazers, and also reproduce well in aquaria lacking hermit crabs and shrimp predators. Their shell shape precludes their retraction into the shell, but evolution has given them a rather neat way to escape many predators. The rear portion of their foot can break off, much like some lizards' tails, when they are threatened by a predator. The detached portion then writhes, and twists and otherwise distracts the predator while the snail, presumably, makes good its escape. Additionally, they also tend to be nocturnal and avoid a lot of visually-oriented predators in this way.

Figure 11. A Stomatella varia about half an inch long. This individual's foot is retracted and the shell
is quite evident. The foot commonly extends far behind the shell and, additionally, often obscures
part of the shell. The odd shell shape, for a Trochoidean, is evident.


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Sean Spargur
West Valley, UT


Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: October 19 2004 at 11:53am
Thanks Sean.  I've seen a few more in my tank since then, but I've not grabbed any.  They move very fast for a snail.

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Jon

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