marine velvet(PICS ADDED) help!!!
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Topic: marine velvet(PICS ADDED) help!!!
Posted By: larseb
Subject: marine velvet(PICS ADDED) help!!!
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 1:52pm
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Does anyone know what this looks like and symptoms of it i think that one of my fish may have it but i am not sure what it looks like. Does anyone one have any distinct pictures of it? thanks I really don't want all of my fish too die if this one has it.
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Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 1:56pm
| ill try to get pics but my powder brown won't keep still for a second. all fish are eating and seem happy. |
Posted By: Dan9554880
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 2:42pm
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Marine velvet looks like fine dusting or powdering on the fish and it maybe ich and if so it looks like sand on the fish ------------- 210 Mixed Reef 20 Nuvo nano reef Learn your tank, not the hobby |
Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 3:06pm
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Posted By: Jeffatpm
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 8:09pm
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If i had to guess I don't think that's marine velvet but I've not seen it in person. I have tangs and have seemed to have had that same thing before, and it healed within a day. ------------- 210 Reef with loads of LEDS Large Fishey Room Located Near Jordan Landing in West Jordan. |
Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 9:48pm
| anybody else have suggestions or anything |
Posted By: reefnfeef
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 10:25pm
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Can't tell from the pics ------------- aaaaaaaaaaaaaannd.... I'm broke |
Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 10:45pm
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Looks like a slightly stressed powder brown to me.Cant see anything abnormal. Marine velvet is fairly rare. How long have you had the fish? How long has it been with this look? Have you googled it and compared it to the pictures? ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 10:54pm
the sploches on the sides showed up today I have had him for like for like week to 2 weeks(Can't remember exactly). I have google it and to me it looks like marine velvet is like the fish powdered with sugar
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Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 10:57pm
| also It kind of looks like his skin is peeling a little around his mouth and face(cant really see in the picture), he has also lightened up in color from when i first got him hop this helps |
Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 10:58pm
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Interesting. Its good you see something I cant from the picture. Because it looks like the spots on most powder browns in the stores. Stress marks. ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 11:32pm
| so could it just be stress marks I have never heard of that before |
Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 11:57pm
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All fish lighten up when stressed. IF the fish has had damage in the past then it will show up when the fish gets its stress colors. ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: Corey Price
Date Posted: March 18 2013 at 12:40pm
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If it's what you say it is, the fish won't make it very long, unfortunately. I've had that stuff wipe out my entire tank, including tank-raised clowns. The key is to watch the fish gills- if they're moving fast (probably more than once per second) then it's not good. If it's what Dion says, you will see improvement over a few days. Corey |
Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 18 2013 at 7:17pm
here a picture of today the sploches are bigger and a brownish color anyone have any clues if it is marine velvet how much longer would my fish have?
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Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: March 18 2013 at 8:09pm
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Is it acting funny? Any chance it's HLLE? ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 18 2013 at 8:53pm
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It has been acting a little funny compared to when i first got it. At first it just peacfully swam through the tank grazing on rock and swimming through rock, Now it seems more spasy like it will come out and swim back to is hiding spot then come out coutiously swim a little and go back, then it comes out and swims fast to the other side of the tank and goes behind the rocks. he is still eating pretty good but i have not seen him eat any nori I have put in there. could this be some kind of bacterial infection? I so how would i treat? thanks for everyone's help
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Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: March 18 2013 at 8:54pm
------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
ReefdUp wrote:Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 18 2013 at 9:18pm
I don't think so it is more of a rash, but once again i have no idea what it is so i guess it possible. After researching I am thinking that this is probably a bacterial or fungul disease.
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Posted By: chuckfu
Date Posted: March 19 2013 at 11:50am
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Keep a close eye on him. I picked up a fish a couple of years ago and did not quarnitine him. He had marine velvet. It wiped out everything in my tank minus one of my damsels and my watchman. Started out looking just like he was getting lighter in color. Then when the blue lights only were on I could see what looked like dusting on him. All the fish continued to eat normally but after noticing the lightening they would die within a couple of days. The clowns held on the longest and literally skin was falling off of them. It was horrible to watch. The whole thing took out about 6 fish in a couple of weeks. And what was weird besides the clowns it would kill one fish before infecting anything else. Be careful. ------------- Try, try, try, then give up! |
Posted By: twolow4law1
Date Posted: March 19 2013 at 12:54pm
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Ya I know I have only been around salt water for a couple years but I have owned at least 25 different Tangs in that time and have never lost one to ick, until the last 8 months I have lost probley 10-15 Tangs to ick, and some had the powder dusting your talking about and the same behaver, in fact I have a Thompson tang right now going threw it as we speek, about a month ago I spent 300.00 on a uv sterilizer hopping all my ick probs would go away and it has help for sure but not sure about this tang, I think the powder Tangs are ick maginets and with out a uv he's probly not going to recover, any way good luck with it.
------------- 60 gal rimless , 40 gal rimless 120 gal reef HOOKED ON SALT WATER 801-682-0477 |
Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 19 2013 at 6:02pm
| I have a UV sterilizer and i have had it the whole time, I am also pretty sure that it is not ick I am hoping it is something i can take care of with medication. I am also debating setting up a hospital tank but I don't want to stress him out more and kill him. I fish there was a definite way to tell what it is. does any one know any good medications that are reef safe for bacterial and fungal infections? |
Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 7:18am
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Not much reef safe. Our whole eco system is bacteria ran. You start using medication to kill bacteria you do damage to the whole system.Best bet if He really has it is to pull him and quarantine him. ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 8:16am
| what size of quarantine tank would be best? |
Posted By: Inthenameofweez
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 2:15pm
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I would think at least a 20 gallon. I will be setting up a 55 gallon QT for my tangs. Just in case... ------------- -Clayton |
Posted By: DMower
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 4:04pm
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I use 20 gallon tanks for my quarantine needs. ------------- 150 gal reef with 50 gal sump. Reef Octopus DCS-200 Skimmer. AI Sol Blues. |
Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 5:51pm
| even a 4 inch powder brown I am afraid that would stress him more than help. also 20 long or tall? |
Posted By: DMower
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 6:02pm
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Short term hospital care will/should be fine. It has always been fine for me. The last larger fish I had through my QT were a 5 inch Foxface and a 2 inch blue hippo tang. I have a 20 long and a 20 tall. Both would be fine. Provide PVC hiding places, good circulation, filtration, etc. Cupramine is a relatively gentle copper medication. I use it. Use it for 2 weeks minimum. ------------- 150 gal reef with 50 gal sump. Reef Octopus DCS-200 Skimmer. AI Sol Blues. |
Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 6:18pm
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Ok thanks. My powder brown is starting to get pop eye what is this from? I am now really leaning toward bacterial infection any ideas on what causes pop eye?
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Posted By: DMower
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 6:28pm
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Read http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/disease/popeye.php" rel="nofollow - this . Probably a good idea to treat with antibiotics while in qt.
------------- 150 gal reef with 50 gal sump. Reef Octopus DCS-200 Skimmer. AI Sol Blues. |
Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 9:05pm
| ok I am going to try to get everything i need tomorrow atleast meds thanks for everyones help i will try to update if anything else happens thanks once again! |
Posted By: Aquatic Evolution
Date Posted: March 22 2013 at 7:40pm
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Flat Worms, Antibiotics, Copper will do nothing. It is not bacterial. Popeye is usually caused by a Nematode not much you can do. Sometimes Melafix will help with that. It is stress induced. Unfortunately Powder Browns are very hard to keep long term. ------------- 
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Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 1:51pm
So two of my fish died a flame angel and the Powder brown. So are you saying they had worms or what? I would still like to know what it was
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Posted By: Aquatic Evolution
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 3:10pm
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Sorry for your loss... Yes they are Flat Worms. They require a specialized treatment to remove. Does the place you bought it at have a replacement guarantee? -------------
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Posted By: DMower
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 3:59pm
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That (flat worms) may not be the cause. I wouldn't jump to conclusions. Unless you had an accurate in person diagnosis of course. ------------- 150 gal reef with 50 gal sump. Reef Octopus DCS-200 Skimmer. AI Sol Blues. |
Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 4:26pm
I am not sure if they do but is has been has probably past the time limit. How to i treat them just that medication you put in your other post?
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Posted By: larseb
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 4:28pm
Is there a way i could tell myself or what are some of the symptoms? If it is worms i don't want the rest of my fish to get sick or i want to get them better if they already have it. |
Posted By: DMower
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 9:47am
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Nematodes are internal parasites. Most are really harmless. Do a internet search for more info. Other fish are likely OK. Another important lesson on the value of good quarantine practices. ------------- 150 gal reef with 50 gal sump. Reef Octopus DCS-200 Skimmer. AI Sol Blues. |
Posted By: Aquatic Evolution
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 11:34am
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Nematodes- are likely causing the Popeye, they can hide behind they eye causing the trauma. The marks that looks like "scuffs" are flatworms. Darren I have personally handled 100's of thousands of fish over the years so I feel I can make a fairly accurate diagnosis. I'm not perfect, but I've been doing this a long time. I'm not really jumping to any conclusions. If you have another idea what it is, share it with us. Everyones input can be helpful... Unfortunately a quarantine will do little to help with these ailments. They take a while to manifest and you must be able to recognize the symptoms and diagnose it correctly. Then use the proper treatment. -------------
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Posted By: Aquatic Evolution
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 12:22pm
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Also- Copper will not treat these diseases.
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