Bangaii Cardinal
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Topic: Bangaii Cardinal
Posted By: sabeypets
Subject: Bangaii Cardinal
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 7:18pm
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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 12:35am
  
Week old ------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 6:29am
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Don't you mean a week since release? They were about a week in daddy's mouth, right? It's great to see all those babies. Congratulations. Aloha  ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member 
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Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 1:35pm
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Yes, one week since release. The male held them for 21 days, I'm not sure at what point they actually hatch, guessing around day 10?. Of all the breeding projects I have been involved with Bangaii Cardinals have took more time, effort, and I have been unsuccessful until now. I'm talking YEARS!!!! Thanks Mark. ------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: December 26 2014 at 12:07am
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Not sure what is going on with these, they went 2 weeks with no problems. Now something up. 2 died 12/23 5 died 12/24 1 died 12/25 1 died 12/26 They get feed NHBBS several times a day, and 50% water change Daily. 5 gallon tank with a sponge filter. ------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: December 26 2014 at 11:22am
With 50% water change daily, is it absolutely necessary to use the sponge filter? I'm asking because I'm wondering if there could be some bacteria collected on the filter that might be harmful to the tiny babies? |
sabeypets wrote:Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: December 26 2014 at 10:38pm
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No a sponge filter is not necessary at all with 50% daily water changes. There could be some bacteria collected on the filter that might be harmful to the tiny babies but I'm not sure.
------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: Cowan
Date Posted: December 31 2014 at 4:09pm
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Sabey- do you have your adults in their own tank? I have a breeding pair in my tank with the other fish but have a hell of a time trying to capture the male when he is about ready to release the babies. He has a habit of only releasing a few at a time and hides in the rocks to do it so I only get a few at a time if I am lucky. I also have an 8 gallon tank where I keep the babies once they are caught, but I don't know the best way to catch all the babies once they are released. Any suggestions? ------------- RSM 250 |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: January 01 2015 at 6:55pm
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I keep them in a 360gal reef, I just catch the male when he is ready to release them. If they are released into my reef tank they are gone (eaten) in a mater of minutes.
------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 10:58am
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More babies!!! Another 60 plus babies last night.
------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 11:30am
| Congrats! |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 11:20am
Thanks Molli Had another 30 plus hatch yesterday! that makes close to 100 this week!!!! ------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: proskier101
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 10:27am
you should keep them all. These are increasingly RARE fish.  |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 2:19pm
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That's awesome Shaun. For that many baby Bangaii, I would do a regular tank of at least 30 gals with good LS bed with tons of life, a pile of LR rubble, and tons of algae all over to provide good live bug spawn and live bug larvae for them to eat. If possible, plumb this separate tank as part of the system where the Bangaii parents are living. Two important advantages to this are, 1) the water is essentially the same as what they hatched in and 2) water changes are unnecessary, except as the larger system receives new water. Here is a Mike Savage pic (my TOTM) of a good environment for Bangaii.  For Cowan, there is an easy way to capture the babies. I believe it has been written here on the forum several times. It talks about waiting until tails are poking out of Dad's mouth or just before, sneaking up on the tank after dark, flipping the lights on and immediately netting Dad, who often releases the babies right into the net. This was the technique in the the pic below. One of the released babies is visible above/behind Dad's first dorsal fin. Do a WMAS forum search and also, if you haven't seen it, read the excellent article about it in this SeaStar: http://www.utahreefs.com/SeaStar/wmasSeaStar02Feb.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.utahreefs.com/SeaStar/wmasSeaStar02Feb.pdf Aloha, Mark  ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
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Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 2:53pm
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Shaun you keep doing your fish raising thing! The hobby needs more tank raised fish, you're a total champ! Will you let me know when your tank raised fish are available for sale? I plan on only stocking tank raised and would be more than willing to make the trip to American Fork. ------------- 125g 90g 2x33g 34g What stores do I recommend? Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 ) Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 ) Member of GCFB |
Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 5:36pm
Agreed. |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 12:37am
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I got another 13 tonight! I didn't see this male till tonight and I think he all ready released most of them. That makes over 100 just in the last week.
------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 12:51am
Mark thanks for the info. I have them in 5 and 10 gallon bare bottom tanks, a little macro algae, and a sponge filter. No LR, no LS, not plumbed, and I wish I had more macro algae with lots of good bugs  .------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 12:54am
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Thanks Pete and Molli.
------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 6:33am
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Seriously, I want to buy some. Badly. ------------- 125g 90g 2x33g 34g What stores do I recommend? Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 ) Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 ) Member of GCFB |
Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 10:09am
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Seriously, I want to buy some. Badly. I would be down for a few as well! Please post when they're ready for sale! Nice job. I still remember when Jeff Hite hatched and raised these years ago. It was one of my favorite things to watch! I had a mated pair for years. I never tried to raise the fry, but the adults were "regular" producers. Congrats! Again.
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Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 10:42am
What he means to say is they were horny. ------------- 125g 90g 2x33g 34g What stores do I recommend? Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 ) Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 ) Member of GCFB |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: March 02 2015 at 11:49pm
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Thanks Shane I had 7 more hatch that were in a tumbler yesterday, and another 35ish more from another male tonight. Still have 2 more males holding.
------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 8:17am
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That is awesome. Your ability to breed fish is impressive. Aloha ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
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Posted By: jdinchak
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 8:42am
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It was really cool to see. The entire night after seeing them at your shop my wife said "I want to raise cardinals". ------------- 180G Mixed Reef Tank 170G Dart Frog Tank |
Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 8:58am
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Any updates on when these will be available for sale? ------------- 125g 90g 2x33g 34g What stores do I recommend? Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 ) Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 ) Member of GCFB |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 10:24am
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"That is awesome. Your ability to breed fish is impressive." Thanks Mark "It was really cool to see. The entire night after seeing them at your shop my wife said "I want to raise cardinals"." Glad you enjoyed! I remember leaving your house saying to myself I want an Eel Garden. "Any updates on when these will be available for sale?" Pete, you should have stopped, said hi, and seen them Saturday when you was down this way. They are still smallish but have been eating pellets for about a week now. I'm just starting them on frozen now. Maybe another 3 or 4 weeks they will be big enough?
------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: jdinchak
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 10:26am
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Sustainable said they tried breeding Garden Eels and it wasn't cost effective to sell (not high in demand) but shows it is possible. He offered to share his information (I am the dummy who never emailed him back, I really need to do that). New challenge for you! Garden Eels for ALL! Lets do it! ------------- 180G Mixed Reef Tank 170G Dart Frog Tank |
Posted By: Hogie
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 10:34am
| I'm excited to get a couple! |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 10:49am
The thought has crossed my mind to try them, maybe with some help from Matt C (or Jeremy W) I could try! Garden Eels for ALL!!!! ------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 10:50am
Cool! I'll let you know when they are ready to go. ------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 1:32pm
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Garden eels are very cool! -------------  |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: March 13 2015 at 8:28am
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Another 35ish a couple of days ago, one male left holding with only a day or two to go. The next round first male is all ready holding.
------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 2:05am
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Last male holding had 35ish tonight, next go around 2 males holding again.
------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: Melissa
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 9:53am
| How close are the oldest ones? :) |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: May 09 2015 at 12:39am
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I have a few of these ready for new homes!!!! ------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: gail
Date Posted: May 09 2015 at 8:31pm
| I would be interested in two of your baby cardinals. |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: June 10 2015 at 10:14pm
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These are for sale now!!!! $20 each
------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: AcroNem
Date Posted: June 10 2015 at 10:18pm
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Dibs on one! ------------- 150G mixed reef, growing coral farm. Thirteenth year keeping reefs, always here to talk fish. 801-850-7577. |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: June 11 2015 at 2:57pm
------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: June 13 2015 at 12:20am
About 90 more today! 
------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: jason
Date Posted: June 13 2015 at 8:06am
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wow holy cow that is awesome ------------- if wishes were fishes we would all have some |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: June 23 2015 at 2:10pm
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We have some that are getting big $20 each.
------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: Melissa
Date Posted: June 23 2015 at 3:52pm
| My 4 are doing great, and even go after pellets like crazy now :) |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: June 23 2015 at 4:29pm
Thanks Melissa, We love feedback on the livestock we have raised! ------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 11:11pm
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Do you use the method to sex them by feeding them well and looking for one tube or two? ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: sabeypets
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 1:04am
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Nope, I honestly can't tell that way.
------------- Shaun American Fork "Would you leave a dead cat in your kitchen till tommorow?" Builderofdreams |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 1:34am
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Well share how you know.. please ;. ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: July 22 2015 at 10:40pm
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I bought a group of 18 and let them pair up on their own. I ended up with at least 7 pair.
------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: July 23 2015 at 5:26pm
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I bought 4 and 2 paired so I am super excited. Pam ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 1:22am
Thats Cool Kinda makes me wonder if they can change sex ------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 2:39am
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These guys are pretty small, but it was really apparent with in about two days they had paired. They had picked the cave as well as their home.. lol. They are so fun to watch. The other two could careless about one another. Your number ratio was pretty darn good with your pairing. Were yours pretty small? How long until they started breeding? ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 9:29pm
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Yes the 14 out of 18 is to good, that's what makes me wonder. They were small and took about 10 months to start breeding. I also add 10 small PJ Cardinals the same time and I'm still waiting for a spawn from them.
------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 11:11pm
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Interesting. I don't care so much for the pajama's. ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 11:53pm
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I also added 4 black cardinals.
------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: Hogie
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 1:29am
| That's awesome! So, what all fish do you bred and sell? |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 12:51am
Clowns, Cardinals, Seahorses, Berghia and coming up Molly Miller Blennys (they eat aiptasia) and Dottybacks. Other projects include Ruby Red Scooter, Yellow assessor, Blue Assessor, and a couple of kinds of Cleaner Gobies. ------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 10:24pm
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More babies tonight!!!
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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: August 12 2015 at 9:58pm
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We have some ready to go home with you today!!! ------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: bstuver
Date Posted: August 12 2015 at 10:02pm
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I will probably swing by and grab a couple to try to pair up this week:) ------------- Jackie Stuver "wait these aren't the happy Hawaiians oompa doompa godly heaven on your face zoas? I dont want them then. lol!" Ksmart |
Posted By: Hogie
Date Posted: August 13 2015 at 1:43am
| Do you have any that show interest in pairing off? |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: August 14 2015 at 10:38pm
I haven't noticed, but they are big enough to start pairing off. ------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: August 14 2015 at 10:42pm
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Breaking News!!!! Collected more babies tonight.
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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: August 24 2015 at 11:09am
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We have a few that are ready for new homes!!!! These guys are eating frozen, flake, and pellets.
------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: Jeremyw
Date Posted: August 24 2015 at 12:20pm
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WEll then I need to come down! ------------- Next meeting: |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: August 26 2015 at 11:22pm
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Come on Down!!!
------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: November 29 2015 at 11:13pm
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Still have some available!!!! ------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: andyj
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 9:25am
How much are they?? 
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Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: December 05 2015 at 9:48pm
On sale right now $19.99 each.
------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |
Posted By: A Reef Oasis
Date Posted: February 03 2016 at 10:47pm
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Have a few of these still available ------------- "oh crap where am I going to put that!" bstuver |