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Topic: Majano Outbreak
Posted By: jeffras
Subject: Majano Outbreak
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 12:58pm
I have recently had a huge majano outbreak.

I had these hitchhikers on a green star polyp rock for about 6 months and they never spread. I recently upgraded my 55 gallon to a 150 gallon and these guys have spread like wildfire. I tried injecting a few of them with "stop aptasia" and they closed for about a week but then came right back. They have since destroyed my star polyps and are overtaking my tank. Any suggestions on what can be done to combate these?? I have read about injecting with hot water, training a butterfly in a seperate tank to eat them, etc. Any success stories?

A word to the wise:
kill these guys before they spread


TIA,
Jeff



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Posted By: LostCauseZ06
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 1:00pm
LOL read my other thread... on the ID ones.. i jsut had the same problem... killed them all last night by injecting calcium straight into them and then digging the crap out of em till they just fell off the rock hehe


Posted By: LostCauseZ06
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 1:01pm
btw i forgot they make some stuff  its called "______ juice" i forget what the first word of the name is... it gets rid of aptasia and majano and will not harm your coral or fish...


Posted By: jeffras
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 1:18pm
Interesting Approach! Although I have read that physically demoloshing them will just propegate them in the tank. And I have far too many now, I would have to get scuba gear ;)

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i3/aiptasia_impressions/ aiptaisia_impressions.htm

Please provide an update in a few weeks, and let me know how it works out.

I am opposed to adding any extra chemicals (joe's juice, etc). I never trust anything that says it is reef safe (I had a bad experience with greenex, NOT REEF SAFE).




Posted By: LostCauseZ06
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 1:40pm

i know squirting calcium in them kills them... i used it on some aptasia two weeks ago and its all gone.. :)



Posted By: jordanh
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 1:41pm
Are you talking about 'Joe's Juice?'


Posted By: Daren Wightman
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 1:52pm

I have had excellent success killing aiptasia with a thin Calcium Hydroxide(kalkwasser)+water paste.  The syringe and plastic tip that comes with many Salifert test kits work great for getting the paste into the aiptasia.  I have yet to see an aiptasia survive this attack.  It only takes ~.2cc of paste to kill several of the aiptasia.  Much less costly than other methods.  Just don't blast your prize corals with the highly basic solution.

P.S. It has worked great for me...but...use at your own risk...



Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 4:45pm
Be careful with Joes Juice (thickened kalkwasser) and aiptasia. I'm still
trying to rid my system of aiptasia after their spores went everywhere
after a wild hair I got!

I was able to eradicate my manano issue with thickened kalkwasser. I
mixed it very thick and "fed" it to them!

I only had a few, though. But, they didn't spore so maybe....

You can maybe manually remove the manajos by putting a rock or shell
on them. When they moive on top, you can take out the rock and soak it
in bleach!

Be sure to keep a peppermint shrimp when you can. They will eat the
baby aiptasias so you can manually remove the big ones.


Posted By: jeffras
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 5:25pm
Thanks Suzy,

I believe that I have somewhere around 200-300 of these little guys so I do not think I will have much success injecting them or waiting for them to individually move to a rock. I will try the thickened kalk wasser on a few. If it works well I may end up tearing my live rock apart :(

If anyone wants a few, let me know!!!

I am interested in any experiences with natural preditors. (I have read that certain butterflies will take care of them, but I do not want my corals to be attacked)

I do have 3-4 pepperment shimp (They do great with the aiptasia, but don't seem to take care for the  majano, probably because of the size/qty).

 


Posted By: jeffras
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 6:21pm
Update:

I have searched  about 8  local  grocery stores  and have been unable to find calcium hydroxide (pickling lime).  I was able to find calcium chloride (It is labeled  "pickle crisp").  I  read that calcium chloride is used to raise the Calcium levels. Is this true? I injected 3-4 majano with a very small amount and 3 days later they were dead. So this works very well. My question: Is this something I should be adding? Even in very small doses? I tried boiling water and I think it is cooling to quick because it is not as effective as the calcium chloride was. I have not noticed my calcium levels change (420ppm).

Thanks


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Jeff Rasmussen



Posted By: bugzme
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 6:31pm

I have what you want! I'll give you some if you come by!

1290 west athleen drive (7240 so) 565-8939



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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 11:42pm

Sorry, I didn't see this post until just now.

The Kleins Butterfly loves those anemones and aiptasia. It doesn't bother much else for a while. It's not hard to remove the Kleins later with a trap. The club has the trap but you will have to visit MSM for the Kleins.



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Posted By: some1h8sme
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 10:58am
I have been fighting my majano issue for several months using "Stop Aiptasia" by Chem-Marin.  The stuff will kill some, but others will survive just to propogate again.  .   I would love to try the Calcium Chloride solution.  Where did you buy the "pickle crisp"?  Also, when you say "inject" do you mean you shove the tip of the syringe into the aiptasia or do you feed it to them?

Thanks,

John


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Posted By: jeffras
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 11:15am
I have found the pickle chrisp at harmons, maceys, and reams. It is by the bottling supplies.

I am not sure if this will have negitive effects on the rest of the tank so use it at your own risk.

It definately works better then "stop aptasia" and boiling water. I just use the syringe that came with the stop aptasia and inject the chemical into the mouth (center portion). I just mix a very small amount  with some water (the reaction of adding it to water is intense heat so use an oppropriate container).

Hopefully someone who has experience with calcium chloride will let us know if this is something that we can safely add.

Bugzme,
Thanks for the offer. I won't be able to swing by until the weekend, hope that is ok (Full Time Work and Full Time School). Can you let us know where we can pick up the calcium hydroxide?

Jeff




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Posted By: Will Spencer
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 11:24am

I found it at harmons.  You may just need to try a different one.  The one in kearns on 6200 South 4800 West had some last time I was in there.



Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 11:56am

Hopefully someone who has experience with calcium chloride will let us know if this is something that we can safely add.

Almost everyone who's kept a reef tank has added calcium chloride to their tank.  It's the "form" of calcium in almost every calcium additive on the market.  The only effect on the tank will be an undetectable increase in calcium .



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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 7:08pm

Usually the product sold for pickling pickles is Calcium Hydroxide. I wonder if either one will work for that.

Calcium Hydroxide, also called Kalkwasser, Lime, and Pickling Lime is also used in the same way for killing aiptasia.

I understand that it can be found in large bags at Home Depot, though I get mine at the Chem Shop in Centerville because when I bought 12 lbs. it came in a nice plastic storage pail. But its cheaper at the grocery store.



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Posted By: bugzme
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 7:18pm

Mark, what is it called at home depot and where do I look for it?

Jeff--- My address is in the above post!



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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 9:12pm

Lime



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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 7:36am
The lime they use for cement? Cool!

Jon, is Turbo Calcium calcium cloride?


Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 8:37am
Yes

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Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 9:29am

The lime they use for cement? Cool!

There is no way to ensure the quality of cement lime.  It might be ok or it might not.  There are no heavy metal specs on a cement grade lime.  There are specs on a food grade product, which is why I use food grade.  I've never had any real problem finding pickling lime at the grocery store.  You'll never find it at Smiths, Albertsons or Walmart.  Try the smaller chains like Macys, Harmons or Dans.  And there is always the Mrs. Wages' online store.

Jon, is Turbo Calcium calcium cloride?

Yes. 

But Pickle Crisp is kinda expensive.



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Posted By: jeffras
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 1:22pm
Here are some more steps on ridding a tank of Majano:

Originally posted by jeffras jeffras wrote:


Jeff:
 
For all intents and purposes, there is no known natural predator for cf. majano.  The best defense is to diligently remove them when they FIRST appear.  Of course, it is too late for that now.  The best thing that you can do is the following:

 
1)  Rocks that have anemones on them, but no ornamental life can be moved to a separate tank and kept in the dark.  Put the rock at one end of the tank and place a desk lamp at the opposite end.  Within about two weeks, all the anemones should be on the sides of the glass near the lamp and off of your rock.

2)  Tweezers can be used to remove anemones that cannot be removed from the reef. This isn't fun, but these guys are much easier to remove manually than other pest anemones.  I have found the "sharp-pointed-hook" dental instrument to work very well...  The secret is to "tease" the base of the anemone with the point until it is possible to lift the base of the anemone from the substrate.  Once this is accomplished the anemone will peel off with relative ease.  (I hook the animals through the center and pull gently)

3)  Anemones that are planted deep within crevices present more of a challenge.  Removing them requires practicing what I refer to as a "hurricane drill"... turning the lights on the reef off for 7-10 days.  (I recommend only 7 days if you have delicate SPS or Xenia species; however, most hard, soft, and hardy SPS can handle up to 10). 

The dark causes the anemones stop secreting the protein that keeps them firmly attached.  By about day 5-7 most of them will "pick up" and begin looking for light.  A lamp can be employed at the end of the tank (as in step # 1); however they will generally work their way onto the glass and upper region of the rock.  Even the ones on the rock are relatively easy to remove at this point.  Be sure to remove as many as possible ASAP after turning the light back on, as it only takes about a 24-36 hours for them to begin reattaching to the rocks.<>

I wish I knew of a biological solution...
 

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Posted By: Carl
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 2:26pm

Great suggestion with the lights out methods. I hadn't thought about that. Wonder if it really works?

I had two majanos on a rock I bought from a club member a long time ago. I used hot water to get rid of them and it worked like a charm. I used it on two aiptasia as well. You do have to be really quick. You also need to use a hypodermic needle and penetrate and inject them as many times as possible. The reaction for me was immediate. Then I pulled them off of the rock and if there was any tissue left I scrubbed it off with a toothbrush.

That was almost 2 years ago and I haven't had any issues since. I also added a couple peppermint to try and keep it controlled.



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