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    Posted: May 10 2004 at 6:53am
I have a friend that wants to sell me a tank 120gal glass, filters, 50lbs of lava rock and a box of stuff it was a freash water not sure what all comes with is yet going over to see it this week but my question is what do you guys think the tank is worth?
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you should make sure that he has never used copper in it before you buy it if you plan to make it a reef tank.
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Copper can be cleansed from an old used tank before being set up, ime.

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Discard the Lava Rock.

I'd offer $100 for the tank and if it has a decent hood give him $150, recognizing that the best filtration doesn't require outside equipment but does require ample water movement (a pump or four!) and better lighting than is typically used in FW setups.

If there is old substrate, discard it. It may harbor copper, and it wasn't made for reef use anyway. Come with us this Saturday and collect Lake Bonneville Oolitic Sand and Rock. It works great and you can't beat the price.
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how is the best way to make sure that a tank that may or may not have had copper in it, is cleaned of it before use??
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Clean first with a strong chlorox solution.  Wipe/scrub everywhere.  Rinse well.  Then wipe/scrub with a strong solution of muriatic acid (HCl).  Rinse well.  Done.

Wear gloves and work outside, both chemicals can burn.

In my personal experience this works and copper is of no concern.  Powerheads and other "inert" tank equipment can be cleaned this way too.  Just be sure all calcareous deposits are dissolved and washed away.  ymmv...

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Thanxs he say it never had copper but he got it in trade for some taxidermy he did. no stand no hood. all the stuff that was used for freshwater i will not be using. from what he discribed it has a wetdry filter and some kind of pump. i'll be going to check it out tommarow.
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Jon, IMO, it be much easier to just wipe it down with vinegar to remove/dissolve all visible deposits and then rinse it good with the garden hose. I don't think that the miniscule amount of copper left after that would cause any problem in 120 gallons of water. After all it's just glass and silicone! Do you see any problem with this method?
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Copper can bind to both carbonates and silicates (glass).  The bond with silicates could be too strong for the acetic acid (vinegar).  The HCl is just a much stronger acid.  The bleach is to remove stubborn organic deposits that a strong acid will not remove.  Copper is often complexed with these organics.  That is my reasoning for using them.  The method I posted is what I do but I am certainly willing to admit it might be overkill.  Heck, vinegar alone might be overkill .  But it's a very easy and cheap process to do (if anyone needs some HCl, let me know, I can give you enough to clean your tank... you're on your own for the chlorox).  Alternately, muriatic acid can be found at home depot and pool/spa supply stores...
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Originally posted by jfinch jfinch wrote:

I am certainly willing to admit it might be overkill.  Heck, vinegar alone might be overkill .
That's my opinion too, for what it's worth.
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