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   <title><![CDATA[RO system : Jon, I did a search through Google...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=322">crazy-sps</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1308<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;22&nbsp;2003 at 5:33pm<br /><br /><P>Jon, I did a search through Google and all I could find about strontium is that ir promotes and speeds growth.&nbsp; Can't find any technical stuff about it.&nbsp; I only looked through the first page of links though.</P><P>Mark, yes I have seen Brian's tank but I don't want be rude so I'll keep my mouth shut.&nbsp; Has anyone every tried High Pressure Sodium lights?</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[RO system : Crazy-sps, yes it&amp;#039;s Brian...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1308<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;22&nbsp;2003 at 1:09pm<br /><br />Crazy-sps, yes it's Brian and I only saw his tank once, a long time before he worked at MSM, and it looked fine except that he had been experimenting with mercury vapor lighting and I didn't like the look of it. Did you ever see his tank?<br /><br />Thanks for the compliments about the tank. I wasn't sure about whether you had noticed the three SPS. I mentioned the frogspawn because I was totally amazed at how two of the three frags were the tiniest buds from Steve Lopez that we didn't know would expand so large, like 30X the size of the skeleton!<br /><br />From what I've seen, the systems that have the best growth of SPS must have MH lighting, skimming, furious upper water movement, and a calcium reactor. This seems to be the best environment for clams as well. After those four aspects are met, everything else is negotiable.<br /><br />If I recall correctly, Fluoride was discussed in previous posts as no worry.<br /><br />Jon, Perhaps there are some who wish that were true <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0"><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson</span>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[RO system : crazy-sps, I really wasn&amp;#039;t...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1308<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;22&nbsp;2003 at 11:58am<br /><br /><P>crazy-sps, I really wasn't trying to get anyone, I was just curious.&nbsp; I would be interested to learn more on how Mg helps corals to calcify.&nbsp; The coral calcification mechanisms I'm read about don't mention Mg, just Ca.&nbsp; The Mg in our tanks do help us to keep Ca levels higher then we normally could.&nbsp; And calcifiction, both in corals and non-biological, seems to increase at higher Ca and CO3 levels.&nbsp; As for where Mg goes, some of it is incorporated in the coral skeleton (about 1000 ppm compared to 380,000 for Ca).&nbsp; That means a gram of&nbsp;Mg is consumed during coral calcification for every 380 grams of Ca.&nbsp; Coralline alage has a greater level of Mg incorporated in it's growth.&nbsp; I also wonder what role,&nbsp;if any, that&nbsp;Strontium plays?</P><P>Mark, the board must be counting each of your posts twice <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0">.</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[RO system : FYI - I used tap water for the...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=85">SSpargur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1308<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;22&nbsp;2003 at 11:56am<br /><br /><P>FYI - I used tap water for the first 3 months in my tank.&nbsp; I had a RO/DI unit, but we were remodelling and I didn't hook it up at first.&nbsp; I had a BUNCH of SPS in the tank right from the start.&nbsp; It not only survived with the tap water, but it flourished and grew at a phenominal rate.</P><P>Since I have switched to RO/DI, have I seen any differences?&nbsp; The answer is yes, I have.&nbsp; The difference has not been in how anything is growing but the amount of algae that is growing in my tank.&nbsp; The removal of silicate and phosphates has helped in reducing the amount of algal growth in my main tank.&nbsp; </P><P>IME, tap water does not affect the health and growth of SPS.</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[RO system : Mark, are you talking about Brian...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=322">crazy-sps</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1308<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;22&nbsp;2003 at 11:19am<br /><br /><P>Mark, are you talking about Brian that used to work for MSM?&nbsp; Have you ever seen his tank?&nbsp; Did you think it looked good?&nbsp;&nbsp;</P><P>Frogspawn, or Euphyllia paradivisa,&nbsp;is not an SPS and can grow anywhere. &nbsp;I think you missed the point of my post, though.&nbsp; I was complimenting your tank, not trying to argue.&nbsp; That is great that the sps that you have has grown well for you.&nbsp; I do not think that is the norm.&nbsp; I hope it continues to flourish.</P><P>I wonder if the flouride is going to do anything to tanks that use tap water?&nbsp; Any ideas?</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[RO system : Hey Jon, we are &amp;#034;neck to...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1308<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;22&nbsp;2003 at 11:10am<br /><br />Hey Jon, we are "neck to neck" on number of posts! I hope there is a prize when we get to 1000.  <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[RO system : Actually there are three sps frags,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1308<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;22&nbsp;2003 at 11:04am<br /><br />Actually there are three sps frags, three frogspawn and two cup coral/pagoda in that tank, but perhaps the large mushroom leather takes center stage and distracts from the rest. The sps almost doubled in size in the five months I had the tank and the frogspawn is huge relative to the end of a pencil tip size skeleton buds. I gave the tank to my niece and haven't seen it for almost three months so I cannot say what has happened to growth since then.<br /><br />Since you mentioned my gaping clam either you know clams or you read other posts about that clam having met it's demise due in part to the natural low light flatworm treatment. But I did eliminate the huge flatworm infestation without the use of medication. The clam always looked like that so at least I was keeping it alive until the 3 weeks of low light and I got lazy and stopped feeding greenwater!<br /><br />Regarding sediment and carbon filtering, I have not used it, but a friend that worked for MSM used that method for over four years on his tank which worked just fine. He moved away to school and I don't know how to contact him for comments. I used R.O./D.I. for 4+ years and then switched to Kold-Steril for 3 years and then tapwater for the five months I had the 10 gal. Tapwater is what I used when first in the hobby and when I didn't know very well how to control algae. The result was my infamous <a href="http://www.garf.org/ugly.html" target="_blank"> ugly greenhaired mermaid</a>.<br /><br />It just seems to me that the hobby in general in an effort to play it safe is overly concerned about purity. Maybe it's a holdover from the days of bleached dead coral sleleton decoration. Some of the best hobbyist tanks are not treated like "cleanrooms", if you know what I mean. I need to be careful not to give the impression that I feel someone is wrong to use the purist water possible. I'm just a thrifty kind of person and I just want people, especially beginners, to realize that they can have a nice reef aquarium for less $$/less wasted water.]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[RO system : Jon, okay you got me.  I am going...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=322">crazy-sps</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1308<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;22&nbsp;2003 at 11:02am<br /><br />Jon, okay you got me.&nbsp; <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" border="0">&nbsp; I am going off of what I had learned from LFS.&nbsp; I was under the impression that its not going to harm anything though.&nbsp; I was led to believe that&nbsp;calcifying corals needed Mg to help process the Ca.&nbsp; I do not know where the excess would go to.&nbsp; Where does it go?&nbsp; This makes me question the information that I had learned.]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[RO system : crazy-sps, 1200 ppm is good. NSW...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1308<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;22&nbsp;2003 at 10:54am<br /><br /><P>crazy-sps, 1200 ppm is good.&nbsp; NSW is a little closer to 1300 ppm, but there's probably not a lot of difference as far as the livestock is concerned between 1200 and 1400 ppm.&nbsp;&nbsp;How often do you add?&nbsp; How fast does your Mg concentration drop?&nbsp; Why would you want all your good&nbsp;carbonate (Alkaninity) precipitating with the&nbsp;excess&nbsp;Mg?&nbsp; It's&nbsp;can become like a&nbsp;dog chasing it's tail.&nbsp; FWIW, the Mg concentration in my little tank has not really changed in the past year (mix of soft and hard).&nbsp; It appears that the food and other additives I dose provide enought, or my Mg just isn't being depleted.&nbsp; Coralline algae can be a large consumer of Mg and I have plenty of coralline too.&nbsp; Where do you think your Mg is going?</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[RO system : Jon, in response to your questionabout...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=322">crazy-sps</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1308<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;22&nbsp;2003 at 10:23am<br /><br /><P>Jon, in response to your question&nbsp;about excessive additions of Mg to our tanks; Magnesium Chloride is what I add to my tank by means of Tech-M from Kent.&nbsp; I try to run my Mg level about three times my Ca level.&nbsp; So about 1200 ppm or so.&nbsp; Even if too much is added, it will just precipitate out anyway.</P><P>Mark, I took a look at your tank&nbsp; in the tank of the month.&nbsp; Congratulations on such a good looking tank.&nbsp; I do, however, feel bad for the clam that is gaping.&nbsp; It appears to me that your interests are in soft corals.&nbsp; It has been my experience that sps corals are much more sensitive to harsh water qualities.&nbsp; If you removed the soft corals and replaced them with sps corals, I do not think it would look so nice.&nbsp; I think they would die very quickly.&nbsp; So for my application, tap water is not an acceptable solution.&nbsp; You did not reply to my question about using carbon and sediment filters in-line though.&nbsp; Have you had any experience with this?</P>]]>
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