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   <title><![CDATA[Automated Dosing Methods : so assuming I get a Calcium reactor...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=555">improdigal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3449<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September&nbsp;04&nbsp;2004 at 1:35pm<br /><br /><P>so assuming I get a Calcium reactor to keep my system balanced out. What do you look for in one?</P><P>How is this one:</P><P><A href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=2 0758&amp;item=4319334586" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=2 0758&amp;item=4319334586</A></P><P>Or an 'electronic' one?</P><P><A href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=20756&amp;item=4321610587&amp;rd=1&amp;ssPageName=WDVW" target="_blank"> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=2 0756&amp;item=4321610587&amp;rd=1&amp;ssPageName=WDVW </A></P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by improdigal</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Automated Dosing Methods : Well I know that when your alkalinity...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3449<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August&nbsp;30&nbsp;2004 at 6:21pm<br /><br /><P><strong>Well I know that when your alkalinity is high, you add Calcium to lower it and that affects PH as well, but is it really safe to control all those levels just from your calcium input?</strong> </P><P>Calcium and alkalinity (for this discussion I will refer to alkalinity as carbonate) are two independant entities.&nbsp; They are like teenage boys and girls.&nbsp; They're different, but constantly looking to hook up together <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0">.&nbsp; Calcium reacts with carbonate (CO3)&nbsp;to form CaCO3 coral skeleton, coralline algae, or "hard water deposits".&nbsp; It just so happens that the pH of seawater is more or less controlled by the carbonates&nbsp;(both the amount and type)&nbsp;floating around in it (for reasons I'll discuss, but might cloud the issue).&nbsp; If you remove carbonates (coral growth, ect) from the water the pH will drop.&nbsp; If you add carbonates (buffer)&nbsp;to the water the pH will increase.&nbsp; Both calcium reactors and kalkwasser add equal amounts of calcium and carbonates to the water (i.e. balanced).&nbsp; If you have a steady, constant&nbsp;amount of carbonates in the water you'll most likely have a more steady pH.</P><P>The reason why adding extra calcium lowers alkalinity is because that extra calcium reacts with the carbonates and&nbsp;is precipitated out of solution as CaCO3.&nbsp; This then lowers the pH.</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Automated Dosing Methods : A calcium reactor will provide...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=250">Travis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3449<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August&nbsp;30&nbsp;2004 at 4:41pm<br /><br />A calcium reactor will provide both alkalinity and calcium to the system in a balanced solution.&nbsp; They should really be called Calcium Carbonate Reactors.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Automated Dosing Methods :   Mark Peterson wrote:Pat, you...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=555">improdigal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3449<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August&nbsp;30&nbsp;2004 at 4:15pm<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Mark Peterson" alt="Originally posted by Mark Peterson" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Mark Peterson wrote:</strong><br /><br />Pat, you don't have enough hard coral to worry about a Ca Reactor.</td></tr></table> </P><P>but I will <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0"></P><P>I'm finishing my canopy this week and will have 3-250 MHs and 2 6' VHO actinics. I plan on starting to get some real coral now.</P><P>Already have the automatic top-off system installed with the 6 stage RO filter and float valve, so I'd need another solution, even if it's Kalk and a IV pump adding specific amounts regularly.</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Automated Dosing Methods : Pat, you don&amp;#039;t have enough...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3449<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August&nbsp;30&nbsp;2004 at 3:31pm<br /><br />Pat, you don't have enough hard coral to worry about a Ca Reactor, but using Kalk for topoff would definately be a plus.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Automated Dosing Methods :   jfinch wrote:Pat, what does...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=555">improdigal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3449<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August&nbsp;30&nbsp;2004 at 2:07pm<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by jfinch" alt="Originally posted by jfinch" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>jfinch wrote:</strong><br /><br />Pat,&nbsp; what does "balance alkalinity and pH" mean to you?&nbsp;</td></tr></table> </P><P>Well I know that when your alkalinity is high, you add Calcium to lower it and that affects PH as well, but is it really safe to control all those levels just from your calcium input? </P><P>I guess I don't understand how tightly they affect one another. </P><P>I&nbsp;knew extra calcium would lower alkalinity, but I didn't know it that it was a direct relation. So does a calcium reactor really handle ALL your problems (assuming it's eventually adjusted correctly)?</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Automated Dosing Methods : Right now I&amp;#039;m using kalkwasser....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3449<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August&nbsp;30&nbsp;2004 at 1:48pm<br /><br />Right now I'm using kalkwasser.&nbsp; It's not keeping up, so a calcium reactor will be in my near future (or perhaps my own DIY B-ionic <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif" border="0">, if I can find some cheap MgCl2).&nbsp; About every month I have to add a little CaCl2 and baking soda to boost 'em back up.&nbsp; I try to keep about 400 ppm Ca and 3 meq/l alk.&nbsp; When I had my smaller tank I used B-ionic exclusively.&nbsp; I love that stuff!&nbsp; It's so easy to use, but it can get expensive with a larger tank.&nbsp; In the distant past in tanks with only a few calcifying corals I have gotten by with just kalkwasser.&nbsp; My current tank has too many sps.]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Automated Dosing Methods : Jon, what do you use? ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=68">Suzy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3449<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August&nbsp;30&nbsp;2004 at 1:32pm<br /><br />Jon, what do you use?]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Automated Dosing Methods : Pat, what does &amp;#034;balance alkalinity...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3449<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August&nbsp;30&nbsp;2004 at 1:09pm<br /><br /><P>Pat,&nbsp; what does "balance alkalinity and pH" mean to you?&nbsp; We might be able to explain better if we know where you're coming from.</P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by jfinch</span>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Automated Dosing Methods : Yea, I&amp;#039;ve seen it. but I&amp;#039;ve...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=555">improdigal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3449<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August&nbsp;30&nbsp;2004 at 12:56pm<br /><br /><P>Yea, I've seen it. but I've also seen the price sticker. If I can't find another way, I'll save up for one.</P><P>One thing though, I didn't think a Calcium reactor would balance alkalinity and PH, just calcium, strontium....</P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by improdigal</span>]]>
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