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   <title><![CDATA[Butterflies : I have a few molly millers and...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2632">Jeremyw</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 40877<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;27&nbsp;2016 at 11:59am<br /><br />I have a few molly millers and peppermints and they cleaned up my issue with Aiptasia! Only took about a week once I got all of them in. Got mine from Shaun as well!&nbsp;]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Butterflies :   Jeremyw wrote:I would do peppermint...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5450">catchoftheday</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 40877<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;27&nbsp;2016 at 10:01am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Jeremyw" alt="Originally posted by Jeremyw" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Jeremyw wrote:</strong><br /><br />I would do peppermint shrimp, molly miller blenny or butterfly. </td></tr></table> <br /> Agree with what Jeremy has said I have both a Molly Miller  and peppermint shrimp  And I have no pest anemones at all <br />I got mine from a reef  oasis  Shaun knows his stuff when it comes to the peppermint just an FYI ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2632">Jeremyw</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 40877<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;27&nbsp;2016 at 8:30am<br /><br />I would do peppermint shrimp, molly miller blenny or butterfly.&nbsp;]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Butterflies : Of the things you&amp;#039;ve listed...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=100">Shane H</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 40877<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;26&nbsp;2016 at 9:47pm<br /><br />Of the things you've listed in your tank, my guess is aiptasia will be the last thing a butterfly would eat.  I love them, but they are not reef safe. Unless you have a huge tank with so much coral that you won't notice what the butterflies eat!<br /><br />I'm also a fan of peppermint shrimp BTW. ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Butterflies : I love butterflies. I&amp;#039;d still...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5">Adam Blundell</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 40877<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;25&nbsp;2016 at 6:22pm<br /><br />I love butterflies. &nbsp;I'd still go that route. &nbsp;I'm thinking of adding more to my tank.<div><br></div><div>As for Aiptasia... filefish have sure become popular.</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Butterflies :  Here is something else really...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 40877<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;25&nbsp;2016 at 5:12pm<br /><br /><p>Here is something else really cool and useful about Peppermint Shrimp(PS). It's kind of an addendum to item #2 above. They can be enticed to eat Aiptasia by killing some aiptasia.</p><p>I had acquired ~100 lbs. of LR that was covered with Aiptasia. There were literally hundreds of Aiptasia. Even though the rock was placed in a bare aquarium with no other animals, no&nbsp;feeding, just a pump for circulation,&nbsp;the PS seemed to ignore the Aiptasia. After two weeks I had to try something. I killed about 5 Aiptasia with Kalkwasser paste, my preferred manual treatment method. Then I waited and watched.&nbsp;<em>Just 7 days later the&nbsp;Aiptasia were no more.</em> I guess the PS&nbsp;just needed to get an idea of how good the Aiptasia tasted by eating some dead ones. Then they feasted&nbsp;for a week of&nbsp;nights. <img src="http://utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /></p><p>Aloha,</p><p>Mark&nbsp; <img src="http://utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /><br></p><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson - April&nbsp;25&nbsp;2016 at 5:16pm</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Butterflies : Well first off, it wouldn&amp;#039;t...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 40877<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;13&nbsp;2010 at 12:06am<br /><br />Well first off, it wouldn't be a bad idea to remove the suspect Brittle Star, though I would&nbsp;guess a &lt;50% chance that it was the culprit. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>There&nbsp;are several aspects to note.</DIV><DIV>1- Some shrimp sold as Peppermint are not and don't do much for Aiptasia. At certain seasons the most reliable Aiptasia eating P.Shrimp are available from Florida.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>2- If the P.Shrimp is not hungry and the owner feeds too well, the P.Shrimp will not touch the Aiptasia. The most reliable way of getting P.Shrimp to like and go after Aiptasia is to first place the shrimp in a tank where Aiptasia are the only food available. MSM in Centerville keeps theirs in a separate tank where rocks with Aiptasia are periodically offered. You can do the same in a bucket for a day with a rock of&nbsp;Aiptasia. Definitely feed the tank well prior to adding the P.Shrimp and starve it for a few days after. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>3 All Shrimp are especially susceptible to&nbsp;improper&nbsp;acclimation&nbsp;procedures. FYI, acclimation is not for temperature, it's mainly for adjusting them to salinity and&nbsp;pH and their exoskeleton creates a need for extra special care both in physical handling and acclimation. For some reason they are more sensitive than another familiar organism with an exoskeleton, the crab. Shrimp are best acclimated slowly in an opaque container. Take at least 30 minutes to change&nbsp;1/2-3/4 of&nbsp;the water in the waiting container before adding them to the tank,&nbsp;but do not leave them in the container for more than ~45 minutes.&nbsp;Drip acclimation is not necessary. Slow transfer of water a half cup at a time works well. Do not float them in a bag in the tank. They are hiders. Floating in open water is extremely stressful to them. When ready, set their waiting container slowly down into the water letting it fill slowly and move the container&nbsp;near the rocks so the Shrimp can quickly run over to the rock in the protection of the container without having to swim through open water.&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>4- Shrimp are very prone to heart attack. The stress which causes heart attack can be&nbsp;brought on just by being alone. It can also be caused by moving to a place&nbsp;where they do not know the&nbsp;hiding places. Introducing them to the tank in the dark or moonlight&nbsp;has definite advantages. I suggest buying&nbsp;three, even if you only need one.&nbsp;The chances are one will die, which leaves you with two and they really&nbsp;do best&nbsp;in groups, though one surviving Shrimp can live a long time in a Nano. I would definitely consider keeping at least two P.Shrimp per 50 gallons and that means buying three or four. (FYI, I suggest the same for Clownfish who also seem to have a&nbsp;similar mortality rate.)</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>5- Ideal living conditions are slightly different for&nbsp;shrimp than for fish.&nbsp;Shrimp are, after all, invertebrates.&nbsp;This means they are more susceptible to N compounds. Additionally, their exoskeleton creates unique needs and problems, like the need for protection after molting and the need for proper Alk, Ca, Mg, Strontium and other trace elements in the water to provide the abundance of minerals to grow new exoskeleton every 2-6 months.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I'm sure there is more, but that's all that would come out of my head this late at night. <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Embarrassed" title="Embarrassed" /></DIV><DIV>As an interesting side note, Peppermint shrimp are in a group of animals that are simultaneous hermaphrodites, meaning that they can be male on one day and female on the other. The details are in an article in an old WMAS Sea Star Newsletter. Here is the link to that newsletter: <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/SeaStar/wmasSeaStarOc00.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.utahreefs.com/SeaStar/wmasSeaStarOc00.pdf</A></DIV><DIV>Enjoy and good night.</DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson - May&nbsp;13&nbsp;2010 at 12:29am</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Butterflies : Mark, I appreciate your willingness...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2859">Deluxe247</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 40877<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;12&nbsp;2010 at 4:46pm<br /><br />Mark, I appreciate your willingness to help.&nbsp; I <i>am</i> interested in any ideas you can provide regarding peppermints since I would much rather avoid risking the survival of my other corals to a hungry butterfly.&nbsp; I definitely haven't made any decisions yet, so please fire away.&nbsp; My main concern with the peppermints is that both times I've had them they have fallen prey (I think) to my brittle star.&nbsp; Unless there's some other factor contributing to their speedy demise, I can easily throw the star into my sump so it can't get to the peppermints. Let me know what your thoughts are.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Butterflies : Teach me Sensei.  I am ready. ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2906">tycallsky</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 40877<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;12&nbsp;2010 at 1:46pm<br /><br />Teach me Sensei.  I am ready.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Butterflies : Congrats tycallsky on making post...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 40877<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;12&nbsp;2010 at 1:25pm<br /><br /><DIV>Congrats tycallsky on making post number 100.<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" alt="Clap" title="Clap" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I would suggest we talk more&nbsp;about Peppermint Shrimp before&nbsp;all of you&nbsp;dismiss them. Peppermint shrimp are great. Butterflyfish are a headache.&nbsp;I may be&nbsp;a little gruff sometimes but I&nbsp;know what I'm doing. I have been at this hobby&nbsp;intensely for 17 years.&nbsp;Are you ready&nbsp;to learn?&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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