SHOULD I BUY???
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Topic: SHOULD I BUY???
Posted By: Jerrick
Subject: SHOULD I BUY???
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 1:45pm
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Hello, A Fellow Member Is selling his 65 Gallon Reef Tank and I want some honest opinions before I take on the adventure of becoming a NEWBIE REEF TANK OWNER! The Tank....65 Gallon, Drilled with corner overflow, 20 gal sump, non working protein skimmer ( bad Impeller) 300 GPH Submersible ( looks like it is only flowing around 80gph??? also a 20 gal Fuge, 2 NEW 175 W MH with 2 NEW 30 actinic Blues...Fish include two clown, one Purple Tang, one Dwarf Angle....Water is clean and clear but sand base on class looks bad brown/red and green algae....I live only 15 min. away so transport could be done fairly quick...he is asking $450......QUESTIONS 1- Price GOOD? 2- would it be better to wait for A LOT more money and start from scratch? 3- Could I transport/re-set up, keep everything ( for the most part) Alive and be able to get the tank back to a non-neglected reef tank or would it be better to start over???? HELP ANY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE GREAT
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Posted By: SGH360
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 1:51pm
| Welcome to Utah Reefs. I got to say that is a good deal, considering if buying from scratch will be 3 times as much. Ask to see if they have any pest like Aiptasia, Majano, Flatworms or did they ever had this before. See what other thing come with like Water test kits, Refractormeter, Additives. What brand are the bulbs too. |
Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 1:55pm
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Do you have more pictures than just this one? What about the stand? Condition? My opinion is that you need to know a LOT about a full set up before you purchase it. How long it's been running? what maintenance he does on the tank and on the equipment? Why hasn't he fixed the skimmer? Does he dose? Does he do water changes? Why is he selling. Does he have any pests like manjanos or aptasia? Has he had any of that in the past? What fish has he had? Did he lose any? To what? ETc Etc. The price seems fair if you are comfortable with the answer to those questions. The reason for knowing is that a lot of people who sell full set ups are tired of the hobby and so they haven't maintained the tank very well, which is why equipment is breaking down and now they just want to get rid of it. Which is not a good situation for you to buy and move the tank and stress everything out and potentially lose it. I'm not saying that's the case but you want to make sure you aren't setting yourself up for problems down the road. If you could get some more info we could give you a better idea on what to do. ------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: tileman
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 2:11pm
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Asking here first is an excellent idea. Welcome to the board. Don't make any decisions before you do more research, go see other members tanks and setups, ask tons of questions, we are always happy to open our doors, and we thrive on questions. In my opinion, setting up your Own reef is 75% of the fun in this hobby. ------------- 335G Reef TOTM. http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2015/2/aquarium ReefKeepers TOTM Feb. 2012 http://reefkeeping.com/joomla/index....k-of-the-month & |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 2:18pm
 Thanks! Everyone....LuckeDout I am here in logan as well....The tank was 2004 tank of the month it is CHEM-GUY Who is selling it here in the valley....Here are a few more pics...   |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 2:28pm
A Few MORE!   
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Posted By: bur01014
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 2:36pm
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In my opinion I wouldn't buy it as a "first" tank.....don't get me wrong, great price, etc....but as a first tank, part of the fun is setting up a tank, stocking it to your liking ....most importantly though, setting up a tank from scratch is a learning experience, how a tank cycles, parameters, fish compatibility, etc...there is so much to learn...not knowing the basics from the get go could be tough on maintaining a well-stocked reef.
What I would do:
-Still buy used...search the forums, buy just a tank and stand, then a sump, then equip, or find all it in a bundle
-Be careful with light selection, one of the most important things, as well as expensive, do it right the first time and research it, so you don't want a different light 6 months down the road
-Go look at other tanks to determine what you want to keep and like, perhaps you want multiple tangs, thus needing a bigger tank, or perhaps a smaller tank would suit your needs
-Once you get the tank, stand, sump, all equip, lights, etc....then get your live rock, sand, and cycle going....all this is great learning for you....I dare say you could lose a lot of stuff just being a fully setup tank as your first tank...
-Once the cycle is done, have fun picking out the fish YOU want and Corals YOU like...then watch them grow, this is where the fun is....buying a full setup already stocked full with stuff, isn't very fun to me :) whatever you do, go slow and do a lot of research!
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 2:40pm
Jim LaMunyon is an honest person that won't leave you in a lurch. You will need a little help from him to set it up and get it going. If he is willing, I'd do it.  Welcome. With a mature tank like that, the sand is going to be pretty full of crud/detritus. I'd have an inch of clean wet Utah Oolitic Sand ready to place first on the bottom of the tank and add some of the old sand rinsed first then some un-rinsed old sand on top of that. I'd probably discard the bottom layer of the sand from that tank. The link below in my sig line will take you to a lot of good info. There is even a How to/Tip about moving an established reef aquarium. Jim is an experienced reefer that you can rely on. ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
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Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 2:54pm
| THANKS EVERYONE! I Am so EXCITED I have been Doing a lot of reading the last few months and I am torn between starting fresh and setting up my tank from scratch or getting this one and kind of starting over...but having a lot of things to play around with and make my own.....Just nervous....all input is very much appreciated! |
Posted By: Sculpin
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 3:02pm
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I'd say go for it. I agree with Mark that you should swap out some of the sand. This looks like a very mature tank and since you'll have to move it anyways this gives you a chance to do some much needed maintenance on it before re-setting it up. Micah ------------- 225 Reef (not really mine but i act like it is) 29 Biocube http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45353" rel="nofollow - My Whole House System Build |
Posted By: Chevmaro
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 3:15pm
| I thinks its a good deal. I bought a tank/stand/canopy for a screaming deal of $65. I have now easily spent over $450 on the rest of the equipment. I think i could have saved money buying a complete setup but im glad i didnt because i get to buy the equipment I want and set it up the way I want. Its a little fun getting it the way you want it but cheaper to buy a full setup. You could look at getting a replacement pump for that skimmer or find a good used skimmer for about $100. |
Posted By: P.Kapp
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 4:07pm
If it were me, (and im no expert) and I was going to buy this tank, I would get some kind of temporary holding system set up at my house before i went to get this tank and have it ready to go so you could transfer all the coral, fish, and everything else into it while you cleaned up the rest of the system. I would get a good sized tote or rubbermaid container, have heaters ready, powerheads for circulation, a place to put the light, have some form of filtration (hopefully the skimmer would be an easy fix and use that) and some macro algae. I would have some freshly mixed salt water ready to add to the established water just in case. I would also definately get some new sand, and just keep some of the live sand to seed it with. Or just toss it all and get some from another reefer in the area when the tank is ready. Use some rubber gloves when cleaning out the sand too. I learned the hard way when i bought an established tank and cleaned it out with a cut on my finger. Ended up with a staff infection and cellulitus almost all the way up my arm. I was on a IV drip for two weeks.... If you have the temporary tank ready for all your animals, then you have time to make all the repairs and adjustments to your liking and do it right instead of rushing it. But like i said, thats just my opinion  Have fun with it, and make it your own!------------- Preston Kapp 210 Gal Reef |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 4:15pm
| I do have a 29 Gallon Fresh water that just has a few Danio in right now.....I could turn that into a holding tank for ease of transfer......no way it will hold all of the LR but it could hold some plus the fish....hmmmmmm got me thinking now.... |
Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 4:31pm
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Hey - I recognize that tank! And many of those corals as well.
I have to agree with Mark. Jim is an experienced hobbyist and if he is willing to throw in his services to mentor you for the first little while - then it is a super great deal. If he's not and simply wants out of the hobby - its still a good deal and you will likely have a good experience.
I recommend finding someone in Logan who knows reefs and soliciting their help with the move. Most of us can be bought fairly cheaply.
 There are so many things to consider and having someone who has done it before, will pay off big-time in the reduction of problems and lost livestock. Another thing you may consider, is fragging many of the corals before you even begin to move the tank. By the looks of it, there will be plenty of "accidental fragmentation" anyway. Give them to someone (or multiple people) with the stipulation that should you need a frag back, they would return the favor. Consider it a bit of insurance if something goes horribly wrong and you lose a large part of the corals during the move. If things go great and you don't need a frag back - then you've just won a friend or two!
Good luck!
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Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 4:33pm
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BTW - here's a link to the 2004 Tank of the Month presenation: http://www.utahreefs.com/tankofthemonth/JimLaMunyon/tank_of_the_month.htm - http://www.utahreefs.com/tankofthemonth/JimLaMunyon/tank_of_the_month.htm
Check out the awesome photo takin' skills!
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Posted By: P.Kapp
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 4:57pm
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I found this thread on RC. Its mostly people using rubbermaids for sumps, but definately gives you a general idea of how to go about it. The last set of pictures on page10 is what made me think of it. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1551665&highlight=rubbermaid&page=10 - http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1551665&highlight=rubbermaid&page=10 You probably dont need one as big as a lot of these, but i would try to get one big enough to fit all your rock, corals, fish, and other equipment in, while still leaving room for the fish to swim. Then you have to set up one holding tank and not several and worry about equipment for all of them. Plus having all the rock and coral in there will add as filtration. ------------- Preston Kapp 210 Gal Reef |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 5:02pm
| Okay...so if I went for this I know I would NEED A lot of help.....I would be more than happy to give frags out to people! Soliciting help to tear down the tank and set it back up might be easy....I own a Jewelry store and maybe could bribe some men to help out for a day in return for something nice for their better half ( my wife is my better half for sure!) Just a thought....:-) Another concern is the Ro/DI until I do not have yet....need to go under the kitchen sink most likely and second I want to some-what build this into a wall...need to tear it down first and make sure structure is good to go... |
Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 5:15pm
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P. kapp's suggestion is great advice. Take your time getting it set up. I had fish and coral in tubs like that for 2 days without any problems as long as they get light, flow and heat they are fine. Then you won't make mistakes setting it up and potentially lose critters. ------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 5:19pm
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I'm sending you a PM with my info. I'd be more than happy to help you out. I think planning and setting up the tank is the funnest part of the hobby. I didn't realize you were in Logan. Jerrick's Jewelry with the green corvette right? You are more than welcome to come by my office and see my tank. I'm on the south end of town. Skimace7 has a beautiful tank at Cache title Co. that's worth a stop as well. It's right in the lobby. Nice to have another Logan reefer! ------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 6:37pm
| Ben- What are your hours at the Clinic? I would love to stop by and check it out! I am at my store from 9:30- 7 M-F and 10-5 Sat... Maybe I could slip out on a lunch break some time..... |
Posted By: vadryn
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 11:20pm
If I can work it out, I'd be happy to help out when the time comes. I have no experience with moving established tanks, but can tell you if you can move that in decent shape, you are taking years (years!) off what it normally takes to get a good system going. I'm in North Logan. I even have some reef real estate cheap in my tank for holding neighbors frags. 
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Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 12:28pm
| Does anyone Have any Good old Utah Oolitic sand that I could have/buy if I get this tank I think I will just start fresh with new sand...I could prob drive down and collect some myself but don't know how the roads would be in the dead of winter? ..I live in Logan so the closer you are the better!!!! Also I could just seed the new sand with the sand that is in the Fuge?, or the sand that is in the sump?? I think there was sand in there, hmmm , any way the fuge sand did not look to bad....I could most likely transfer that tank with out disturbing the sand so I don't think I would not need to replace it right? Also I heard you could just buy play sand from HOME DEPOT is this correct??? |
Posted By: Davidwillis
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 12:46pm
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I would just use the sand that is there. Why do you want new sand? BTW, how is Jim doing these days? I used to work with him, and he gave me my first coral frag (just after he started his first tank).
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Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 1:49pm
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Yeah I would just rinse most the sand and re-use it. My hours are MWF 9-5 and T/Th 3-7pm ------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 2:05pm
| Jim Seems to be doing well.....he is having moister issues in his basement where the tank is....so he is selling it.... Don't know why mold Growing on the walls bothers him!! HA HA HA..... I was told do new sand because Detritus in that sand can be a major source of problems... |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 2:08pm
| Do I just get in the Bathtub and rinse with FRESH Hyde Park city water, a scoop at a time...seems fun? Also Sand going down the drain....should be fine...right....my house is 102 years old but has had updated pluming so I would imagine a little sand won't hurt the plumbing...I hope... |
Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 3:37pm
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What I did is I put my sand in a couple of tubs then went to the car wash and used a high pressure washer. I sit and blast the sand and then dump water down the drain... worked out great
------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 4:10pm
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Ben, Didn't high pressure just blow the sand out of the tub????
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Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 4:49pm
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A bit if i hit the edge of the tub wrong, but I stuck the nozzle down in the sand and it didn't really spray up.
------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 4:51pm
| I think I will try the car wash trick with the sand....Thanks! |
Posted By: vadryn
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 10:15pm
| You will lose some sand - it's such a fine grain if it's Utah sand. I did like you describe but with a garden hose. If you have a utility sink, you can do it at home. Car wash is a good option - be sure to run some water through the wand before using it in case there are chemicals. |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 10 2011 at 12:53pm
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Okay! I bought the Tank and hoping to move it either this Sunday or next!!! I think I will buy a new Koralia 2 Power head and he suggested a Maxijet 1200 to run the fuge.....would you all agree....I will eventually want a new pump in the sump since his 300gph looks like it is running 10gph!!!! Any suggestions on that? I think I will scoop off the top layer of sand and use it to seed the rest...I am going to try to pressure wash the rest of it...
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Posted By: Jeffs_little_ocean
Date Posted: January 10 2011 at 1:08pm
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A maxijet 1200 used as your return pump probably is running at close to 10 GPH at 4-5 feet above the sump. Rermember that the 300 GPH rating is at 0 head. Also I would recommend more than a Korillia 2 for flow. I use (2) K4's for flow in my 65 plus a RIO 12HF for the return. IMO High flow makes for a healthy reef. ------------- Life is good....right? |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 10 2011 at 1:20pm
| No not a Maxi Jet 1200 for return.....I was thinking it could feed the fuge.....the fuge is about 1 inch higher that the main tank so not much head loss/ Gravity flow back to tank.....AM I making sense ??? Sorry......I don't know what pump I want to get for the sump/return.....Suggestions??? |
Posted By: bstuver
Date Posted: January 10 2011 at 4:07pm
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Definitely only keep the top layer of sand to seed the tank and rinse the rest really well. I made the mistake of using all used sand and had a major tank crash loosing 90% of my coral!
Good luck looks like it will be a great tank! And for me I like buying a fully set up tank as that means less time to cycle:) as I am very impatient! ------------- Jackie Stuver "wait these aren't the happy Hawaiians oompa doompa godly heaven on your face zoas? I dont want them then. lol!" Ksmart |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: January 10 2011 at 4:59pm
I remember Jim's tank with the Refugium above and to the side. You can barely see it in this pic. Here is the Refugium.  Yes a Maxijet 600 might be enough. I assume Jim will help you design the set it up so that flooding is avoidable. ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
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Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: January 10 2011 at 5:40pm
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You can use whatever type of pump. There are a lot of different types. Cheap to very expensive. With a 65g tank you want about 700-1000gph with your return pump. Maybe even a bit more depending on how you plumb it and how much head space you are dealing with. ------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 7:37pm
| So Progress On the TANK!!!! I live in a house that was built in 1909....and the tank is going in the upstairs...so I decided i better cut into a wall and inspect the floor support and see if my tank would be okay..I also wanted to build the tank into the wall....well after tearing down an entire wall I discovered and amazing thing! My home has slanted ceilings, well the walls are moved in about 5 feet from the outside on the adjacent wall and when I opened up the one (smaller wall) I discovered all of this room! So I am GOING TO HAVE A FISH ROOM.....I am going to upgrade to a larger sump possibly 50 gall, looking into the ability to plum in a utility sink as well! There is a large black iron vent pipe that I think I might be able to tap into??? I will have to ask a plumber if it would be okay to do that...I traced it down into the basement and it goes into the sewer line... I will post pictures of the room tomorrow! |
Posted By: faviasteve
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 2:35am
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The cast iron vent pipe is a drain pipe. It's possible to cut into it and put a "T" for the sink, but they're very thick and tough. It takes a long time to cut through with a grinder. Before you cut a chunk out, make sure the upper vent section is secured tightly to the wall or it may fall and it's very hard to raise it back up again + damage to the rooftop seal can occur if it moves. Once the chunk of pipe is removed, use 4" rubber couplings (most old cast iron drains are 4") to connect and seal the ABS "T" on the top and bottom to the pipe. They have 4 clamps for each coupling. Then the drain can be plumbed like normal. Is it possible...yes. Is it worth it if there's any other way...probably not. ------------- Steve Burton Logan, Utah |
Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 11:38am
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Steve, long time no see! I think it's a great idea to go with a larger sump/refugium if you have the space. My advice would be to just start out with getting the tank set up in the room and then worry about a sink or other toys once your tank is up and running. ------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 1:11pm
AGREED.....I did some Sketches to show everyone what the plan is  
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Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 1:26pm
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Looks good. Is that built to scale? Tank looks a bit bigger than a 65g to me, or that door is really small.
------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 2:03pm
| Not really built to scale I just did it really fast.....door will be small about 20" But I wanted the access to all of the extra room behind both walls!!! |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 11:50am
Here are some actual pictures of where I am at so far!   |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 11:53am
| The middle picture is the area behind the wall to the right....around the corner....I am going to put in a floor, sheet rock, add lights and hopefully some day set up a frag tank, utility sink, and hook up my ro/di system with a water storage tank....SOMEDAY!!! But going to worry about the DT first! |
Posted By: vadryn
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 11:54am
| Will you be sealing that area off from the rest of the attic space? Is that what the green board is? Maybe I'm confused by the pics not being in order? Is the middle pic prior to you starting work? |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 11:58am
Sorry the the first and last picture are the same thing just different angles.....if you were to walk into the first picture and look to your right you would see the middle picture.....it is around the corner behind a "false" Wall in the living area......sorry it is so confusing....I am going to finish the with floor and sheet rock for extra space for FISH STUFF!
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Jerrick wrote:Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 12:04pm
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Posted By: vadryn
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 12:08pm
| BTW - I heard your advert on the radio. 95.9 - thought you'd like to know it's out there. |
Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 12:09pm
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Wow, you don't mess around.
------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 12:16pm
Great! I am glad! It is nice to hear that it is being heard!
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Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 12:26pm
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Tank stuff I have acquired thanks to another fellow member! -Iwaki 40RLT I will hopefully be getting a 50 gallon acrylic tank that I will turn into a sump and us the external pump on it! -I have an actuated ball valve with timer that automatically switches from left to right to left to right at whatever time interval you set it at. So you could have one of two water inlets on each end of the aquarium and the incoming water would switch directions every few minutes or hours, like the tides changing direction each day. I will attach this to the outlet of the new pump! -RO/DI with bucket and auto-shutoff valve, but it needs a new RO membrane and filters. I need the first stage and second (carbon) I have the DI, and need the one on the top...can't remember what it is called....hmmmmm....is it the TFC MEMBRANE.....oh well...any one know a good place to get those three cartridges? |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 12:33pm
| Question....the Iwaki 40RLT is rated at 750gph....i was thinking I would turn both of the holes drilled in the tank into inlets...and then plumb up over the back/or sides/ for the return since i will have the actuated ball valve with timer that will switch from one side to the other......do you think that would be smart and that way if one inlet gets a bit of restricted flow it will have the second that can still be flowing????Or would that be to much inlet flow....it should only take in the amount the pump puts back into the tank right? |
Posted By: vadryn
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 12:54pm
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Try http://www.bulkreefsupply.com - www.bulkreefsupply.com -just got my system there. |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 11:16am
| MOVING DAY TOMORROW!!! Any last minute advise.....I will have 30 gallons of mixed up heated water to help with the transfer....I have a power inverter for the car to keep the heaters plugged in, car ride is only 15min but can't be to careful...have a van and an expedition to keep everything warm. My stand is shimmed up and level....my sump is sitting in position, I have 5 gallon bucket with new rinsed sand, planning on rinsing most of the sand in the tank and re-using it, What else am I forgetting... |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 12:00pm
| OKAY EVERYTHING IS UP AND RUNNING! My fish were still alive this morning and the corals were opened up and looking happy! I will post some pictures of the the aquascaping that I did for your opinions! My only concern is that my pump is a bit louder than what I was hoping for....it is the IWAKI 40rlt and it just has a loud humming....Wondering if I could put a padded box around it to help dilute the sound a bit??? |
Posted By: vadryn
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 12:03pm
| You have to weigh the risk of sound vs heat. I don't know how loud those pumps are in comparison to others. IMO the submersible ones are quieter because they are under water. |
Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 2:07pm
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Try putting it on a rubber pad like a mouse pad first to see if that helps. I had this exact same pump with a different setup and that helped a lot.
------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 3:16pm
| I will try the rubber pad Trick.....I did have is screwed down and so I decided to try to put some fabric under it to see if that helped... well when I lifted it slightly the "vibrating noise" got a lot more subtle so I took some wire and attached it to a hook at the top of my stand and then to the pump to barely raise it off of the floor (so it is kind of floating) and this seemed to help a lot, but not sure if i like the fact that if I hit the pump it is not stationary and I could break the line or something. I now just need to put an elbow on the drain line so that it goes down into the water instead of splashing in!!! |
Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 8:57pm
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a filter sock helps with the splashing sound as well.
------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 12:09pm
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Put the elbow on the drain line and a pipe so that the water does not splash into the sump...Sound much better! Also one of my fish, Dwarf Angel, has a spot on its side....maybe a cut, but looks a bit fleshy and white, rather that orange/blue like the rest of him.....do you think this is disease, stress sore, cut,........looks a bit like a cold sore.....I will see if i can get a picture tonight.....I did dose with pro-biotic when we set up the tank but have not dosed with anything else. |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 11:42am
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the hazards of moving. The tank is going to need some TLC. Leave the tank lights on longer each day and make the Refugium lights 24/7 for at least a week. This will allow the algae to eat up the pollution that is happening because of bacteria and live things dieing in the move. Are you feeding a drop of Garlic Oil marinated without water in each cube of frozen meaty food? If you don't know about this go below to Reefkeeping Tips and look for the tip Secrets of adding new fish, fish training and the miracle of Garlic Oil ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
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Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 11:50am
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Sounds like a wound. Do what mark says. Feed a lot of garlic laced food and hope for the best. Sometimes they pull through and sometimes they don't.
------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 7:52pm
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I will try the Garlic.....Jim was feeding flakes and pellets....i was thinking that the tang needed some seaweed strips to nibble on throughout the day so i might pick some up tonight....what also should I be feeding or should I just feed what they have had for the past 4 years ( flakes and pellets) Some people have very complex diets for their fish and I just want to make sure I am not underfeeding or not feeding correctly! How about clean up crew? My tank did not come with any snails, hermits, cleaner shrimp....other than the tang to help clean up the tank.....what would you guys suggest and where could i pick up some snails....not sure if I want any hermit crabs but I think a cleaner shrimp would be neat! What else would you suggest to help my tank stay looking great as it does right now! Thanks |
Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 9:53pm
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I say you want about 1.5 snails per gallon of water and get a variety of astrea, nassarius, cerith etc. I'm not sure why hermits gets such a bad rap. I have tons of hermits and never had a problem and in fact they are some of my best cleaners. I bought a coral that was attached to a large piece of LR the other day and I noticed it had some hair algae and detritus on there, as soon as it hit the sand the hermits were all over it and it was clean as the rest of my tank by the end of the day. My cleaner shrimp is one of my favorite critters in my tank. He'll eat out of my hand and even jump on it and clean it. I just wish he would stay out and about in the tank during the day more. You can get any of these at any LFS really. Sitaga (Bill Davis) in Ogden also sells inverts for a good price. If you happen to be in SLC then Marine Aquatics has been selling inverts and hermits for super cheap as well. ------------- -Ben 90g Mixed reef www.body-balancechiropractic.com |
Posted By: Luckedout
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 9:56pm
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P.S. you definetely want to feed that fish Nori sheets. I would also get some frozen mysis shrimp and krill to feed. You can pick up all 3 at Petsmart. Fish need a variety and flake and pellet food are good, but not as good as a varied diet.
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Posted By: vadryn
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 9:23am
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I am going to slightly disagree with Ben on the feeding. If you are feeding a quality pellet food, then you don't "need" to feed anything else to keep very healthy, colorful fish. Nori is cheap (I would buy it from the grocery store instead of the fish store so to not pay premium prices for it) so feeding Nori on a clip does give you something to watch them nibble on. Mysis shrimp costs about $5 for about 30 cubes and is a nice change of pace for *you* if you want to feed something different. The fish don't "need" either - again, if you are feeding a quality pellet food.
Don't buy the " they need variety" arguement because in the wild, many of these fish eat the exact same thing day after day after day.
I think hermits get a bad rap because they are aggressive towards each other and towards snails if they need a bigger shell. I would definitely get hermits as part of your CUC. Blue are the most common and cheap. I would get Red and White ones also. My white hermits are the most active. You should be ablet to get them for around $.50/each, give or take a dime. Extra empty shells are usually cheap and easy to just dump into your display.
Get cerith, nassarius, astrea and nerite snails. They each have different eating habits so you cover your bases by getting a variety. You should do the ratio Ben mentioned. Big ones like the Mexican Turbo snail are cool to watch, but they will barge around and can upset unsecure rockwork. If yoru sand is dirty, get a cucumber too. I haven't had much luck with keeping mine for long... maybe not enough food for them.
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Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 2:55pm
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When Feeding do you guys turn of your pumps??? I bought some freeze dried shrimp last night and at first did not turn off the pump and they went right to the over flow....So I turned pump off and none of my fish even touched the shrimp....they seemed to prefer the flakes....go figure! Mark.......Question on the Garlic.....I found some garlic gel caps at the Grocery store but in the ingredients they all said that they also contain soybean oil, gelatin, vegetable glycerin, and silica....do you think that is just what makes up the outer "Shell" capsule.....and the gooey liquid inside is the Garlic???? |
Posted By: vadryn
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 3:11pm
I prefer to feed a 2mm pellet which is big enough to break the surface tension and sink. My 1mm pellet goes into the surface skimmer way too fast and makes me mad.  When I feed mysis, I stick the cube to the side of the powerhead that has good suction and it melts and distributes the shrimp fairly to all.  I would say that 90% of what I feed is the pellet. If you want some 2mm NLS THera+ A pellet let me know. I'll give you some to try. I buy it by the 5lb bucket so I can sell you some by the pound or half-pound for about what I paid, if you like it. (Way cheaper than the smaller containers)
About the food here: http://nlsfishfood.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=42 - http://nlsfishfood.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=42
I don't shut off any pumps and have seen others say to NOT do it because it always leads to them being left off on accident.
Freeze-dried food could be pre-soaked so it will sink better. Just put it in a dixie cup of tank water for a minute or two before pouring it in.
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Posted By: Jerrick
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 3:39pm
| Vadryn, I keep forgetting to get you your pump and heater back.....I will stop by tomorrow night on my way home from work and give them back to you.....around 7:30.....Thanks I will prob take you up on your food offer..... |
Posted By: P.Kapp
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 4:18pm
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I have 4 powerheads in my tank, and the two in the middle are hooked up to an extension cord that has a switch on it so I can turn them on and off really easy when I feed. The two on the outside are left on, so the food does move around a little, but if i dump it in a little at a time the fish dont let it get too far. I have forgot to turn them back on a couple of times, but with the other two running and my return pumps running it doesnt really effect anything. If you wanted to turn off the majority of your flow each time you fed it might not be worth the risk of forgetting... ------------- Preston Kapp 210 Gal Reef |
Posted By: bur01014
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 4:20pm
| I use NLS 1mm pellets as my fish's staple food source....to get them to sink= grab a pinch of food, submerge your finger tips holding the food a inch into the water, rub fingers together and watch them drop.....this also works for flakes.... |