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   <title><![CDATA[Cooling :   Mike Savage wrote:Bedrock,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1311">Redrock</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11656<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;09&nbsp;2006 at 10:07pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Mike Savage" alt="Originally posted by Mike Savage" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Mike Savage wrote:</strong><br /><br />Bedrock, I have read of some people doing a similar setup by burying the cooling pipe below ground far enough that the temp is pretty constant year around.</td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Mike, (BTW It's Redrock, NOT Bedrock. But it made me chuckle)</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Since you mentioned that I have done a bit of research into doing the earth cooling system. It is really pretty viable but there is quite a bit to it. Having said that&nbsp;I think it is a VERY good way to go. I would be willing to share all the info I have gathered on the subject if anyone is seriously interested.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As far as my idea of using the small refrigerator, forget it. it sounds reasonable but there is simply not enough cooling capacity in the small units and the heat transfer medium (PEX) is too inefficient to do any good with the limited amount of space.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Anyway, didn't mean to hijack this thread herefishy, I was just in a chatty mood.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Redrock - May&nbsp;09&nbsp;2006 at 10:08pm</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cooling : Great improvement, glad it worked...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=983">Mike Savage</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11656<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;20&nbsp;2006 at 1:51am<br /><br />Great improvement, glad it worked <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0">]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cooling : Well quick update, a couple of...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1314">HereFishyFishy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11656<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;20&nbsp;2006 at 1:18am<br /><br />Well quick update, a couple of days have gone by and my tank has cooled down to what I think it will remain at.&nbsp; Right now at night my temp is dropping to 74deg.&nbsp; During the photo period with my MH turned on my temp goes up to 78 deg.&nbsp; Thanks for all the advice!!&nbsp; This fixed my issue.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cooling : I have one fan at the top of my...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1314">HereFishyFishy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11656<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;18&nbsp;2006 at 10:34pm<br /><br /><P>I have one fan at the top of my hood pushing the hot air away 24/7.&nbsp; It is setup on the far left side of the hood so it can draw in cool air from the room temperature and blow it across the top of my hood to the other side.</P><P>I have one fan running 24/7 directly on the water surface.&nbsp; The other fan that I have running directly on the water surface only kicks on when my MH turn on.&nbsp; These two fans are hitting the water at a 45 deg angle because that was the steepest grade I could get with the room I have to work with.</P><P>The actual room temperature usually runs about 72deg.</P><P>I don't have a problem with reducing my HM photo period.&nbsp; I just figured the more the light the better growth from my corals.&nbsp; No??</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cooling : Go Go you Go Mark... Follow his...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1151">Gahlenfr</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11656<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;18&nbsp;2006 at 9:58pm<br /><br />Go Go you Go Mark...<IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0">&nbsp; Follow his sage advice and you will have a constant temperature in no time!]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cooling : That&amp;#039;s much, muchbetter.Are...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11656<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;18&nbsp;2006 at 7:44pm<br /><br /><P><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=2>That's much, much&nbsp;better.&nbsp;Are you willing to work&nbsp;on it a little more to get it down to 78 max? If so, please fill in some missing info.<IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"></FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=2>Are the fans running 24/7 or just when the MH's are one? </FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=2>Are the two fans taking air from outside the canopy? </FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>Can you give us&nbsp;a measure of the angle at&nbsp;which the air from the&nbsp;fans&nbsp;is hitting the water? and how much are they angled in to the canopy area?</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=2>What is the actual room temperature?</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>And last, would you be willing to reduce the MH Photoperiod by 2-4 hours?</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>Sorry for all the questions, but&nbsp;this info&nbsp;really does make a difference.</FONT></P><P><IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"></P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=288">dnellans</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11656<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;18&nbsp;2006 at 6:10pm<br /><br />i think 80 is perfect for a max temp.<br><br>see if you can set your heater to turn on and keep the tank around 76 degrees, so the low is 76 and then see if you can still keep the high at 80 with the higher low.<br><br>basically try and bring he low up without allowing the high to get above 80.<br>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cooling : So here is what I&amp;#039;ve done....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1314">HereFishyFishy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11656<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;18&nbsp;2006 at 5:58pm<br /><br />So here is what I've done.&nbsp; I've taken the fan off of the sump.&nbsp; I've put one fan at the top of my hood (on the far left) blowing the hot air away.&nbsp; I've also put 2 fan, one on each side, blowing directly down on my water surface.&nbsp; So far it looks like my night time gets down to 74deg. and during the day with my lights on I'm getting to 80 deg.&nbsp; Is this acceptible or do I need to keep the tank cooler?&nbsp; Are there benefits to having cooler water?]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cooling : Okay, I seethe problem. What you...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11656<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;16&nbsp;2006 at 10:52am<br /><br /><P><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=2>Okay, I see&nbsp;the problem. What you are starting to think is right. But there is more.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>Remember that hot air rises above cooler air. The fans are pushing hot air from the ceiling&nbsp;down past the hot lights and with all the lights in the&nbsp;path, the heated air probably doesn't hit the water directly. This is why there is practically no cooling effect.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>Flipping&nbsp;the three fans around so that they suck instead of blow&nbsp;will cool&nbsp;a little&nbsp;better, but&nbsp;that option would not make best use of the fans&nbsp;cooling power and it corrodes fans to pull humid salty air past them.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>Here&nbsp;are some other&nbsp;options&nbsp;that will do the job.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>--&nbsp;Drill holes and mount a fan on each side of the hood, blowing in.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>-- Mount a&nbsp;fan on each side of the hood in the back opening and place it on a bracket so that it's aimed diagonally down across the surface of the water.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>The second option&nbsp;is the most effective way to cool the tank. Both options eliminate your two 24 hour fans altogether (the sump fan is definitely useless). With three holes already cut in the top of the hood, there will be ample avenues for hot air to exit and the cooling/evaporative effect of pushing cooler air over the water surface will do such a good job that I'm guessing the fans can be set on the same timer as the MH's.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>After&nbsp;the change, please come back and tell us how much better the tank is looking&nbsp;with the temperature&nbsp;at 80 and below.</FONT></P><P><IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"></P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cooling : I forgot to mention that I run...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1314">HereFishyFishy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11656<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April&nbsp;16&nbsp;2006 at 7:25am<br /><br /><P>I forgot to mention that I run two blue 4' VHO's as well.&nbsp; This is how I setup my tank:</P><P>I run 2 fans 24/7.&nbsp; About 11a.m. my two blue VHO's kick on.&nbsp; Around 12 noon my 2 MH kick on along with my 2 other fans.&nbsp; Around 10p.m. my MH turn off along with the 2 extra fans.&nbsp; About 11p.m. my 2 blue VHO's turn off.&nbsp; So my photo period is approximately 12 hours.</P><P>The comment from Gahlenfr is making me think.&nbsp; I might be pushing hot air around.&nbsp; I have one fan 24/7 blowing on my sump (no cold air coming in).&nbsp; I have all other 3 fans blowing down from the top of my hood.&nbsp; Yes, I have an open hood so all my fans blow down onto the water.&nbsp; However, the top of my hood is only about 6" from dropped ceiling.&nbsp; So I don't have a lot of clearance.&nbsp; Could that be my problem?</P>]]>
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