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   <title><![CDATA[oxygen in refugium? : Its okay in the refugium, but...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 21373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;29&nbsp;2007 at 8:11pm<br /><br />Its okay in the refugium, but not sure that it helps that much if water is already crashing down from the overflow. The percentage of oxygen and CO2 in the surrounding air is fairly constant so pH cannot rise too far.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[oxygen in refugium? : I understand it now. Are you saying...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1722">hammerhead</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 21373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;29&nbsp;2007 at 7:51pm<br /><br />I understand it now. Are you saying that an air stone in your sump is no good or will it raise the ph too much.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[oxygen in refugium? :   hammerhead wrote:Remember air...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 21373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;28&nbsp;2007 at 5:49pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by hammerhead" alt="Originally posted by hammerhead" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>hammerhead wrote:</strong><br /><br />Remember air bubbles trap nitrates in the same manner as a skimmer, and once the bubble gets to the top of the tank and pops the nitrates are then released.</td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It doesn't work that way. Bubbles offer an air to water interface where organic particles collect. The bubble that pops on the surface of the aquarium water releases most of these organic particles back to the water. Some will be thrown up to collect on surfaces of the light, etc. but not in any quantity which would be considered significant.&nbsp;Effective&nbsp;skimming depends on a large quantity of fine bubbles (greater surface area) to pop (outside the tank) in the throat and collection cup where the skimmate can be removed.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Nitrate, the molecule, occurs as a product of bacterial action. As far as I know, it does not stick to the air water&nbsp;interface. You may have heard that skimmers reduce nitrates. Their action of removing organic waste before it is fully broken down by bacteria is why you may have heard that a skimmer reduces nitrates.&nbsp;If you look at&nbsp;it that way,&nbsp;the skimmer also removes potential&nbsp;Ammonia and Nitrite as well as potential Nitrate.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Does this seem clear?&nbsp;Do you understand the principle?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>For me, an air bubbler is always useful. The degree of usefulness depends on how fast the pumps are moving the water. In my 2 gallon Nano, the only circulation is the air bubbles coming from an airstone. I never worry about pH in that tank. And I don't see any ill effect with tiny bubbles getting trapped in the rock. Inverts can deal with small bubbles by pushing them away.<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" /></DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson - October&nbsp;28&nbsp;2007 at 5:55pm</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[oxygen in refugium? : If you have a sump or a refugium...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1722">hammerhead</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 21373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;27&nbsp;2007 at 7:25pm<br /><br />If you have a sump or a refugium a airstone would be good. Remember air bubbles trap nitrates in the same manner as a skimmer, and once the bubble gets to the top of the tank and pops the nitrates are then released. IMO an extra airstone in a sump is a good idea.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[oxygen in refugium? :     never2late wrote:Wish I...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">dkle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 21373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;24&nbsp;2007 at 11:46pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by never2late" alt="Originally posted by never2late" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>never2late wrote:</strong><br /><br />Wish I was born rich instead of so darn good lookin'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</td></tr></table><br><br>LOL.&nbsp; I like the hubris<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />!<br><br>I would second that airstone is not necessary.&nbsp; Another possible nuisance is that the bubbling action will spray saltwater everywhere; and before you know it, you'll have a bunch of saltcreeps outside of the tank.<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by dkle - October&nbsp;24&nbsp;2007 at 11:56pm</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[oxygen in refugium? : I was kind of wondering about...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1962">never2late</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 21373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;24&nbsp;2007 at 8:55pm<br /><br /><P>I was kind of wondering about the bubbles getting trapped. I didn't want to hear about the protein skimmer yet. Wish I was born rich instead of so darn good lookin'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[oxygen in refugium? : Roger,  The airstone likely...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=100">Shane H</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 21373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;24&nbsp;2007 at 8:35pm<br /><br />Roger,<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The airstone likely won't hurt, but it may not be necessary. If you have one or all of the powerheads aimed to ripple the surface of the water, you should have adequate gas exchange. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I reconsidered, the airstone may hurt. If you have air trapped under the live rock, this will kill anything (sponge, tunicate, etc) in this area. Also, are you running a protein skimmer? If you are, this is all the oxygenation you'll need. If you're not - it would really be a good idea.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[oxygen in refugium? : More stupid questions (yeah, the...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1962">never2late</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 21373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;24&nbsp;2007 at 8:17pm<br /><br /><img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" />More stupid questions (yeah, the questions aren't stupid, just the people who ask them!!?<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />) anyway, I've started curing my liverock, Temps good, gravity good, two powerheads in to circulate, #3 crushed coral, bit o' live sand, 30 gal tank. I've also put in an air stone for oxygen; is this good, bad, or really doesn't matter? Just wondering.]]>
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