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   <title><![CDATA[Calcium levels in aquarium : Just checking for clarification...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2980<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;18&nbsp;2004 at 9:23pm<br /><br /><P><strong>Just checking for clarification - if I remember right, you test your Alk weekly (because it's a good and quick&nbsp;indicator of any problems).&nbsp;&nbsp;You personally don't need to test the calcium all the time, because you know that your alk is steady.&nbsp; Correct?&nbsp; If it was high or low, then you would test Calcium.&nbsp; Right?</strong>&nbsp;</P><P>I check alk more frequently then calcium because it will vary more then calcium.&nbsp; And if you're using a balanced calcium/alkalinity additive (CO2/CaCO3 reactor, kalkwasser, b-ionic) then you're adding both in the same proportion that they are most likely being consumed (so yes if alk is fine, calcium will be fine too).&nbsp; For every 1 meq/l of alkalinity consumed through calcification there will only be 20 ppm of calcium depleted.&nbsp; If my aquarium is sitting at 3 meq/l and 430 ppm Ca and I stop adding supplements, within a week my alkalinity will drop down to 1.5 meq/l&nbsp;but my calcium will only drop to 400 ppm.&nbsp; An alk of 1.5 is stressful to calcifying corals, but a calcium level of 400 ppm is fine.&nbsp; That is why I check alkalinity more frequent then calcium.</P><P><strong>When did you start testing for Mg+?? Mr Smarty pants!!!</strong> </P><P>I've always tested "less frequently" <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0">.&nbsp; I check Mg about once very two to three months.&nbsp; I've never tested low until just recently.&nbsp; Apparently my coralline is growing faster and consuming Mg faster&nbsp;then I'm adding it in my fish food and water changes.</P><P><strong>Plus, I don't keep those lame corals that end in pora.</strong></P><P>Hey if it weren't for those corals (and other calcifiers)&nbsp;you wouldn't&nbsp; have coral reefs as we know them.&nbsp; I'm just doing my part to acknowledge they're role <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0"></P><P>If you don't add calcium and carbonates to a tank with calcifying corals you're most likely stressing them unduly.&nbsp; They need both to grow.&nbsp; I would dare to bet that neither Mark or Adam has kept a tank dominated with&nbsp;calcifying corals.&nbsp; If I neglect my tank (which I occasionally do <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" border="0">) my alk will drop down below 2 meq/l.&nbsp; The first sign is the growth edge on my plating montiporas lose their color.&nbsp; It doesn't take a real long time of low alk to cause this, maybe a week.&nbsp; And once the damage is done it takes a few weeks to get them back to full color and growth rates.&nbsp; Why should I wait until my montis start to lose their color before acting?</P><P>Adam and Mark... you know I love you guys, but I've got&nbsp;a feeling that we will aways be at opposite ends of this discussion.</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Calcium levels in aquarium : If my advice is like my math skills,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2980<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;18&nbsp;2004 at 7:18pm<br /><br />If my advice is like my math skills, I'm in trouble <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Calcium levels in aquarium :   Mark Peterson wrote:When we...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5">Adam Blundell</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2980<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;18&nbsp;2004 at 4:03pm<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Mark Peterson" alt="Originally posted by Mark Peterson" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Mark Peterson wrote:</strong><br /><br /><BR>When we listen to someone tell us about their tank's problems, one of the things we want to know is their testing results. This is a way for them to communicate something of the tanks' condition, without actually examining the tank. And often, as is the case here on the MB, this and other info can lead us to a good diagnosis and effective solution, having never "seen" (or smelled <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0">) their aquarium. <BR><BR><IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> $0.02 x 2000+ posts, that's over $20 of advice I've contributed to this MB <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"></td></tr></table> </P><P>I actually don't care what there testing results are.&nbsp; Maybe I should.&nbsp; Usually I think people are including that info for Mark, and I just skip right over it.&nbsp; I usually care about how much rock, corals, fish, and light are in the tank.&nbsp; </P><P>Also, Mark's $.02 x 2000 would be $40</P><P>Adam</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Calcium levels in aquarium : Well, Yes, ...and No.  First,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2980<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;18&nbsp;2004 at 9:14am<br /><br />Well, Yes, ...and No.<br /><br />First, the reason for my "No"<br />There <em>really are</em> subtle changes that occur before problems emerge. In my own tanks, I try to notice those subtle changes, though sometimes a problem emerges and I think back and realize that I saw the subtle change, but failed to act. <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />And second, Yes in tanks that I visit just once or twice, I cannot see subtle changes for obvious reasons. As Travis said, "...the tank is already in trouble." That's usually why I'm there. <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"><br /><br />I'm pretty sure that you too are learning to notice those subtle changes on your own tank(s), and yet only when you stop to think about it do you become aware of the gift of this developing ability. <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif" border="0"><br /><br />Perhaps I should explain. Even though I don't test much or often, I do believe that <font size="1">testing is important.</font><br /><br />When we listen to someone tell us about their tank's problems, one of the things we want to know is their testing results. This is a way for them to communicate something of the tanks' condition, without actually examining the tank. And often, as is the case here on the MB, this and other info can lead us to a good diagnosis and effective solution, having never "seen" (or smelled <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0">) their aquarium.<br /><br /><img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> $0.02 x 2000+ posts, that's over $20 of advice I've contributed to this MB  <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Calcium levels in aquarium :   Mark Peterson wrote:Maybe someone...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=250">Travis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2980<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;17&nbsp;2004 at 4:35pm<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Mark Peterson" alt="Originally posted by Mark Peterson" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Mark Peterson wrote:</strong><br /><br />Maybe someone else would like to jump in here too. And maybe you know what I'm talking about and I can't see the teasing, I don't know <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0"> But I will assume that you are serious and attempt to describe what I mean by "the look".&nbsp;</td></tr></table> </P><P>It would seem to me the "look" is healthy vs unhealthy??&nbsp; I'm I right??&nbsp; I test to keep from getting a unhealthy tank...&nbsp; preventive maintenance.&nbsp; I'm sure&nbsp;you're correct in your observations but at the point you can see signs of trouble, the tank is already in trouble.</P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Calcium levels in aquarium : I test ca/ alk weekly usually......]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=250">Travis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2980<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;17&nbsp;2004 at 4:28pm<br /><br /><P>I test ca/ alk weekly usually...&nbsp; magnesium every two to four weeks.&nbsp; I both my tanks the ca/ alk levels can drop pretty quick, the 110g has a ca reactor and I drip kalk so I monitor that regularly (usually get the same readings) and the 55g with mostly softies and some LPS corals and one sps coral but it has a more fluctuating ca/alk level than the 110g... I test it weekly and add&nbsp;ca/alk as needed (which it is needed twice a week) and test nitrates monthly.&nbsp; All the expeariance in the world wouldn't make my&nbsp;tanks take up any less ca/alk.&nbsp; Now if you never add additives I guess there would be no reason to test...&nbsp; </P><P>edit: forgot phosphates which I test for monthly... and PH often.</P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Travis</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Calcium levels in aquarium : Mark, Yep I think you got it....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5">Adam Blundell</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2980<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;17&nbsp;2004 at 8:17am<br /><br /><P>Mark,</P><P>Yep I think you got it.&nbsp; Plus, I don't keep those lame corals that end in pora.&nbsp; You stony guys what is it that makes you like them?&nbsp; <BR>Nope, just green stars and polyps for me.</P><P>Adam</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Calcium levels in aquarium :   jfinch wrote:I test my alk...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=68">Suzy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2980<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;17&nbsp;2004 at 8:05am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by jfinch" alt="Originally posted by jfinch" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>jfinch wrote:</strong><br /><br />I test my alk weekly, calcium monthly and Mg "less <br />frequent"  If I'm fiddling with my levels and changing my dosing <br />regime I'll test every couple days.</td></tr></table> <br /><br /> When did you start testing for Mg+?? Mr Smarty pants!!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2980<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;17&nbsp;2004 at 6:52am<br /><br />Adam and all,<br /><br />Wouldn't you say that doing <em>no testing whatsoever</em> has a lot to do with your years of experience giving you the confidence to set up the tank in the right way from the start.<br /><br />1. Using all Aragonite substrate of sufficient quantity and proper size.<br /><br />2. Buying sufficient light, circulation and external filtration(skimmer, etc.) to make it all grow.<br /><br />3. Then adding the right amount of LS, LR, LW and <font size="1">algae</font> to get it going and keep it going.<br /><br />4. And finally, inserting the right mix of organisms in the right order and quantity. (lots of coral first, followed by other inverts and more herbivorous rather than carnivorous fish)<br /><br />Did I leave anything out?<br /><br />Oh, and keeping a watchful eye on the janitor population so that algae is kept in check. <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Calcium levels in aquarium :   jfinch wrote:I test my alk...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5">Adam Blundell</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2980<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;16&nbsp;2004 at 3:23pm<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by jfinch" alt="Originally posted by jfinch" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>jfinch wrote:</strong><br /><br />I test my alk weekly, calcium monthly and Mg "less frequent"&nbsp; If I'm fiddling with my levels and changing my dosing regime I'll test every couple days.</td></tr></table> </P><P>I don't think it would be possible for me to test "less frequently".</P><P>Adam</P>]]>
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