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   <title><![CDATA[Testing above kits parameters : Sorry, I&amp;#039;m on my phone too....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3428">ReefdUp</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February&nbsp;23&nbsp;2012 at 12:39pm<br /><br />Sorry, I'm on my phone too. I doses at 1600 with no snail or crab loss, but i normally run at 1350 pomp, so dozing up to 1600 wasn't a huge amount of tech m.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Testing above kits parameters : I&amp;#039;ve noticed decreased activity...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3784">SkylerS</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February&nbsp;23&nbsp;2012 at 12:32pm<br /><br />I've noticed decreased activity at 1600ppm but nothing has died. I'm sure they'll pull through. As for shrimp I've seen no negative effects. ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Testing above kits parameters : Reef&amp;#039;d up thanks for posting...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3547">MIK3B</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February&nbsp;23&nbsp;2012 at 12:05pm<br /><br />Reef'd up thanks for posting that - I appreciate you digging! I had a post all typed up last night on my phone as I was leaving for work and as I was getting into my car I went to add a smiley and it deleted all my text! <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />So this will be much more abbreviated. I also read your blog and while reading about you tang and HLLE I thought about moving my sanils and crabs to my hospital tank, (which isn't set up) and reading more about Skyler's snails, I am concerned about invertebrate die off. I could move my larger snails and crabs to a QT for a week or so, but all my baby snails and shrimps might suffer. <br /><br />Argh! Stupid nuisance bryopsis!  <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley26.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Testing above kits parameters : I would also like to note that...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3784">SkylerS</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February&nbsp;22&nbsp;2012 at 11:55am<br /><br />I would also like to note that as my Mg levels are approaching 1600 ppm I am noticing decreased activity in my turbo snails.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Testing above kits parameters : I wanted to post a little update...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3784">SkylerS</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 11:59pm<br /><br />I wanted to post a little update on my Kent M addition.&nbsp; Today I'm noticing some ich spots on some of my fish.&nbsp; A blue tang (ofcourse) and a Temminckii Wrasse.&nbsp; Could be because of the Tech M or could be that I moved my UV sterilizer from the return line to the tank to the sump due to a cracked flange.&nbsp; Could be a mixture of both.&nbsp; I'm not too worried about it though.&nbsp; My tang goes through phases where she will show ich spots, and then in a day or two they will be gone.&nbsp; I moved my UV sterilizer to dump directly into the tank from my return line until I can get some larger tubing to cover the entire flange and threads.&nbsp; Bryopsis is dying off nicely though.&nbsp; I went in to the tank today and manually removed some bryopsis.&nbsp; Normally it adheres to the rock very well and is hard to pull off, but in a lot of spots it pulled off very easily and is actually falling off in spots.&nbsp; I figured less in the tank is less that the tech M has to kill&nbsp; =) good riddance to this crap.&nbsp; haha.]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Testing above kits parameters :   Sorry, you guys got me digging...HighlandReefer...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3428">ReefdUp</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 7:51pm<br /><br />Sorry, you guys got me digging...<div>&nbsp;</div><div>HighlandReefer posted this on RC:</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>"...Good questions. No research to back any methods used by hobbyists to control bryopsis. We really don't know what kills the bryopsis and can only guess logically. <img src="http://www.reefcentral.net/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" title="Wink" alt="Wink" /> <br><br>For example, lets say that it is the heavy metal contaminates in the Tech M that is responsible. The most likely is copper. However, research has shown that when you mix heavy metals like copper and lead or copper and zinc, the combination of the two (perhaps more) will kill algae at lower doses than either of the two metals independently (A synergistic effect). <br><br>If it is the heavy metals or their combinations then your current heavy metal level in your tank water can influence the amount you need to add to get to the control level. The little research in reef tanks has shown that copper can vary from undetectable to over 30 ppb in hobbyists tanks. Copper levels over 30 ppb can cause problems (perhaps the most likely zone to kill bryopsis) and levels over say 70 ppb can kill invertebrates. The problem is how much do you add since we can't measure heavy metals in reef tanks with hobby grade kits. What are the levels that kill byopsis? What are the heavy metal levels in Tech M? The dissolved organic levels in your tank water can influence the results as well, since heavy metals can quickly tie to them and toxicity is reduced in the organic form vs. the inorganic ionic forms. There are a lot of factors that can interfere with this process of control given it is the heavy metals. <br><br>That said, from reading through the threads, it seems that an increase of 300-400 ppm magnesium using Tech M works best. You will want to increase the mag as quickly as possible without killing other things. It is recommended to not increase mag by more than 100 ppm per day due to the contaminates. Perhaps somewhere between 50 ppm to 100 ppm mag increase is the ticket. Hobbyists have reported the loss of snails and shrimp when doing this, so you may want to remove any before trying this. <img src="http://www.reefcentral.net/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" title="Wink" alt="Wink" /> "<br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Testing above kits parameters : I&amp;#039;d have to agree. Randy...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3547">MIK3B</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 7:19pm<br /><br />I'd have to agree. Randy suggests raising no more than 100PPM per day. <br /><br />3200 is ridiculous... And probably not even possible. ]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Testing above kits parameters :    Randy Holmes-Farley (IMO...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3428">ReefdUp</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 7:15pm<br /><br />Randy Holmes-Farley (IMO the #1 trusted name for reef chemistry) believes it is the impurities in the Tech-M and not magnesium, chloride, or sulfate.&nbsp; Additionally, most people, including myself, did not have success with BRS Mag Chloride/Sulfate (I dose both).&nbsp; There are a few cases, but those are few and far between - not the majority.&nbsp; I'd say there isn't enough data on what else those people were dosing or doing...or even if it actually was&nbsp;bryopsis algae.&nbsp; <div>&nbsp;</div><div>As far as dosing up to 3200ppm...that's insane...and I don't believe it.&nbsp; Raising up to 3200 over a day would shock everything.&nbsp; My hubby accidentally dosed a gallon of magnesium to our 40g aquarium several years back instead of what he thought was RO/DI topoff water.&nbsp; Lemme tell ya, I lost about everything.&nbsp; I'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess maybe that guy's test kit was off or he didn't know how to measure (or just liked to make stuff up.)</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Reef'd Up - February&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 7:15pm</span>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Testing above kits parameters : I&amp;#039;m a bit skeptical too....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3547">MIK3B</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 7:08pm<br /><br />I'm a bit skeptical too. I've read a little here and there but not enough to post confidently about it. <br /><br />As far as sulfate/chloride vs the Tech M goes, one person in the first link I posted used Mag Sulfate when they ran out of Tech M 6 months later when it came back:<br /><br />"It came back about 6 months later. I had no Tech M on hand, so I used BRS Magnesium Chloride to raise my Mg to about 1800ppm. I increased Mg from about 1300, about 100ppm daily, and saw no adverse effects on anything except the bryopsis. Once again, it melted away, and has not returned (touch wood) one year later."<br /><br />And then there's this, which I find CRAZY:<br /><br />"Just an update. I was speaking with a customer today who had also done this. He said he raised the mag in his tank to 3200 over a day or so and all of the byropsis died immediately with no impact to any corals. He did say he was careful to adjust the salinity while he was doing it."<br /><br />Mag at 3200?! <br /><br /><br />]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Testing above kits parameters :   If you go through the countless...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3428">ReefdUp</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 6:52pm<br /><br />If you go through the countless threads around, most people *do* start to see negative effects with higher dosing (1650 is the lowest I've read...most occur around 1750).&nbsp; Low dose copper usually causes less noticeable effects (like I mentioned reproductive health, especially in things like urchins.)&nbsp; <div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>The thing is, is that everything is toxic at some level...different levels for different things.&nbsp; What is toxic to algae may require more of that "toxin" for higher order animals.&nbsp; And, there are different ways to uptake toxins, and that may play into this as well.&nbsp; I'm not arguing it's copper, I'm just arguing that what is killing the bryopsis is probably also lethal to other things in our aquarium (which is why people have problems with higher doses) just not at the 1600ppm magnesium level.</div>]]>
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