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Like the title says I can't grow acropora. I have several montipora corals that are doing fine in my tank they have good color and growth is noticeable. All my soft corals are doing fine and growing well. My clam has noticeable growth on it. My sebae anemone is a good healthy anemone with good color. All my fish are happy and living very healthy in fact I have only lost one fish that jumped out of my tank. But when it comes to acropora being put in my tank its polyps start to not extend as far then it turns brown then dies. I have been told that it is because my tank is only 6 months old and that some day I will be able to grow acros fine. 

When is the special time when my tank is old enough to grow acros? How much water flow should I have to grow acros? Right now I have a mag 9.5 for a return flow that is connected to 2 inlets that alternate because of a scwd. I have been thinking of getting a Seio pump or 2 but don't know which one to get. My tank is a 55 gal so what do you recommend?

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Remind me - what kind of lighting do you have? Halides? 10k or 20k?
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I have 2 X 150 watt 14k hamilton MH, and 2 X 110 watt VHOs. Light should not be an issue at all.
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Chris,

How big is your tank?  I have a 120g with 2 vho's and 2 x 175w mh (10K) and feel like I don't have enough light yet!  Water quality has been mentioned as being a nessessity (which is what I'm trying to do currently).  I will experiment with feeding later.

To answer your question:  The rule of thumb is when you see several coralline algae 'spots' on your glass the size of a quarter your tank is ready for acros.

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I immediately placed Acro and Monti frags in the recent 10 gal. for my friend. It's now a month old. By the end of week 3, one of the acros had already grown 1/4 inch and now has grown down around the base and onto the rock. I don't go by that old rule of thumb and I kinda think that John really doesn't either... (he told me he likes to experiment) ...and any SPS could grow in Chris's tank if Montipora are doing well and the following are considered:

First, if a skimmer is not being used, 5 days prior to the next time you add an Acro frag, place a large fist sized bag of AC (activated carbon) next to the return pump inlet. That will prepare the tank water for any SPS that you want, by eliminating the chemical warfare. If you don't already have a mesh bag, go to the fabric store and get some finer mesh bridal veil material. This works great, is cheaper and the mesh size is larger than the bags sold in LFS allowing more water movement around the typical particle size AC.

Secondly, look at placement/location. The Acro frags could be downstream from another coral like a large soft coral that is bothering it, or it could be that it got sunburned by placing it higher up/in brighter light than it came from, or it could be that there is so much soft coral in the tank that it cannot get a foothold against the warfare.

IME, these things should do the trick.

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Chris maybe it has someting to do with chemicals and softies. Have you tried running a little carbon.

Personally ... I wouldnt think that the the fact that it is a young tank would be that bad. I had acro frags in my tank right after my rock cycled.

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Originally posted by jpiotrowski jpiotrowski wrote:

How big is your tank? 

I have a 55 gallon tank.

The coralline algae growth is only about dime size but there is so many dime size spots that if they were the size of quarters the back wall would be covered.

Mark/Corey I have been running carbon for about a month now with no change in acro growth. I have one small frag that is around 3 months old that has not even mounted to the rock yet. This is the only acro that I have that is not dead but it is brown and has never had polyp extension more then 1 mm and has had no polyps for over a month now. I bought a acro frag from frag fest that died within a week (RTN) this was the last acro I tried. The acro before that was a healthy colony from marine aquatics that turned brown within a week so bugzme is watching it for me until I can grow acros. 

I don't have that many soft corals in my tank. Corey has 5 times the softies in his tank as I do. None of my softies are close to each other the closest is about 5 inches.

Maybe I should try another acro but I fear loosing money to something that will probably just die or turn brown. What are some of the easiest acros to grow? Does anyone have any mounted acro frags for sell cheap?

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I would say lighting is an issue. 14k 150W halides may not have the light output to sustain acro's - and if they do survive, they may just stay brown. If I were you - I would upgrade my bulbs to 10k, I'll bet that would make a difference. Either that or mount those guys as high up in your tank as possible.

 



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I keep thinking lighting also ... but, I am going to say that it might be the Hamilton bulbs. I had poor (IMO) SPS color with 250w Hamis and couldn’t wait to change them out. I'm with shane on this one I'd try a Phoenix or a 10K bulb. I think the XM 10Ks are supposed to be a bit more blue than most.

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Shane makes a good point but before you change lights, I'd be happy to come by and check it out. It sounds to me like something else may be going on here that is hard to pinpoint without seeing the tank. Do you have pics?

What do you feed? The growing acro in the 10 gal I mentioned extends polyps only at night, perhaps because of the Flame Angel picking at everything to eat soft algae.

Can you tell us what fish you have?
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I have the xm 10k's... not so blue. Kinda white/yellow(actual 8-9k). I do recommend them for the acros, though. My acro's, monti's, poci's, porites, and the rest of my sps, lps, zoas, rics, shrooms, etc are doing very well!!! I attribute this to water quality, activated carbon, great skim, water movement, and lighting. I am running 2 65 watt act 03, 2 65 watt 50/50, 2 175 watt 10k XM's, and a single 20k 250 watt ABDE(on HQI ballast). Those 10k's seem to give what it takes for the growth and the AB is a great source for the coloring I'm getting in my sps. The actinics are more for the dawn-dusk effect... overall, I wouldn't change a thing.

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BTW, the display tank is a 55 gallon, too.
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Have you checked your nitrates and phosphates?  Particularly the phosphates.

Your lighting might not be enough to bring out the best color, but I'd be surprised if it was bad enough to kill acros.

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Hey Jon -

Have you seen the spectral analysis of some of the blue (14k-20k) 150W halides? They don't put out much PAR...

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No, I haven't.  Maybe it is inadequate.

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Have you seen the spectral analysis of some of the blue (14k-20k) 150W halides? They don't put out much PAR...

and i think Hamilton bulbs are at towards the bottom of the list for PAR.
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I'm running 250 watt 14k's on all of my tanks and everything is doing fine! Chris's colony is starting to get a green tint and there is some polyp extension. The tank that has Chris's has a hamilton bulb and everything in the tank is o.k.  But I mount my lights withing 4" of the water! I know I've lost a bulb to spray already

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I will agree with Jfinch on this one. The lighting may be inadequate but I doubt it will kill the acros placed in there. Ive had little frags fall between cracks in the live rock only to be discovered several months later but still alive. Granted there is no growth or coloration but they still survived. I would definately check the phosphate and nitrates. I find Montis to be the fastest growing and most tolerent of all hard corals. It could be that the water chemistry is ok for softies and some hard corals but not prestine enough for more delicate sps.

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The polyps on my acros were not extending when I had a fish in my tank that was nipping at them.  Is there any chance a fish is causeing problems for them?
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I have been running an old 14k bulb Corey gave for the last few weeks to see if this would help out color. The acro sits with the base at about 6" in the water the tip is about an 1.25" higher. The lights sit 6" off the water so the acro is very high and directly under the bulb Corey gave me. What you are saying is that even though my bulbs are bright enough the color spectrum needed is so low that the light is wasted? Maybe like trying to light up a room with a IR remote, the light is there but you just cant see it?

As for fish I have 2 percula clowns, 2 tomato clowns, 1 clown goby, 1 purple tang, and 2 jawfish. None of my fish pick on any corals but my clown goby likes to sit on every coral I have.

Mark please come over and check it out any evening I am close to fish4u and home by 6 usually. I feed the tank a large selection of food and always keep changing what is feed almost daily. Foods include formula 1 and 2, prime reef, mysis shrimp, cyclop eeze, and oyster eggs. As a treat I will feed brine shrimp.

Jon nitrates and phosphates are undetectable

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