| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
iandawson 
Guest
Joined: October 19 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 92
|
 Post Options
 Thanks(0)
 Quote  Reply
 Topic: Bangaii Cardinal
Posted: September 25 2006 at 3:46pm |
Sad day, my beloved Bangaii has died!
My question is can adding corals affect fish (especially this one?) I have a toadstool leather that has not done well since I added it and a couple days after the cardinal got sick and died a couple of days later. Everything else in my tank is doing well and chem. levels seem to be ok.
Can any corals be toxic or in some other way affect fish?
I am so sad about my Bangaii. He was one of my favorites. Any help would be appreciated.  |
|
54g corner bowfront
10g sump, skimmer
175W MH, VHO, Moonlight
Live rock, sand, cleaner crew
|
 |
Mike Savage
Guest
Joined: July 15 2005
Location: Murray
Status: Offline
Points: 19173
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 25 2006 at 4:42pm |
I'm sorry to hear about your Bangaii Cardinal they are beautiful fish. Adding the toadstool to your tank, even if it is not doing well, did not kill your fish or make it sick.
Mike
|
|
|
|
iandawson
Guest
Joined: October 19 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 92
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 25 2006 at 5:23pm |
|
Thanks. I didn't think so either, but it just seemed strange and nothing has changed. I have a healthy blue tang and other fish as well as gonipora and other corals which are all fine. It just didn't make sense.
|
|
54g corner bowfront
10g sump, skimmer
175W MH, VHO, Moonlight
Live rock, sand, cleaner crew
|
|
Mark Peterson
Paid Member
Joined: June 19 2002
Location: Murray
Status: Offline
Points: 21436
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 25 2006 at 9:22pm |
I disagree. Sarcophyton / Mushroom or Toadstool Leather Coral have some very potent toxins. I once observed that some Hermit Crabs left in a bowl of water where a Sarco was cut for frags were found dead only minutes later. A fish that was unkowingly on the edge of health because of some other stressfull circumstance, like an unknown bacterial or viral infection, could easily die. How long had you had the Bangaii?
And just how "bad" was the Sarco doing. Was it dissolving away or just shrunken and not expanding?
And to answer your original question "Can adding coral kill fish?" the answer is yes. It only takes a small amount of water, even just a wet coral (corals also have water inside  ) to spread a fish pathogen. Ich can travel this way.
Edited by Mark Peterson - September 25 2006 at 9:26pm
|
Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks:www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member 
|
|
iandawson
Guest
Joined: October 19 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 92
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 25 2006 at 10:29pm |
I had the bangaii for a little over a week. He seemed to be doing well and displaying "typical" behavior for the species. The toadstool was shrivelled up and dark in color but not disintegrating. The base of the leather broke off after a couple days being rubber banded to the rock (maybe too tight?) and every once in a while will extend its polyps but only partially for a short time.
The cardinal went from normal behavior to sick (slowed swimming, on its side) in about 2 days and died in another 2.
I am still mourning the loss and my wife is too (it was her favorite fish).
|
|
54g corner bowfront
10g sump, skimmer
175W MH, VHO, Moonlight
Live rock, sand, cleaner crew
|
|
Shane H
Presidency
Joined: March 09 2003
Location: Brigham City
Status: Offline
Points: 7921
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 25 2006 at 11:26pm |
Was the Bangaii captive bred or wild caught?
IME, bangaii cardinals do not ship well. I'm guessing the LFSs lose 10 for every 1 that make it. They may look fine, but within a week will die. Buying captive bred will avoid this.
|
|
iandawson
Guest
Joined: October 19 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 92
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 25 2006 at 11:54pm |
I wish I knew. That was something I read about AFTER i bought him (of course) from Aquatica. I will be sure to ask next time. I am hoping to find someone who has bred them (it seems as though they have quite a lot of offspring.)
|
|
54g corner bowfront
10g sump, skimmer
175W MH, VHO, Moonlight
Live rock, sand, cleaner crew
|
|
Gahlenfr
Guest
Joined: December 01 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1061
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 26 2006 at 5:56pm |
Time for a new batch of Bangaii Mark 
|
|
Mark Peterson
Paid Member
Joined: June 19 2002
Location: Murray
Status: Offline
Points: 21436
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 26 2006 at 7:46pm |
A new batch is in the oven.  It's been 2 weeks and the Male still has a mouthful. That's a good sign. 
Actually Ian, Cardinals have relatively few offspring in each clutch. 10-40 is typical. Other marine fish, Clownfish for example can lay as many as 500 eggs.
|
Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks:www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
|
|
iandawson
Guest
Joined: October 19 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 92
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 27 2006 at 11:40pm |
|
I would love to see pictures of the little guys when they leave the safety of daddy's jaws. I am also interested in replacing my bangaii if possible. Thanks.
|
|
54g corner bowfront
10g sump, skimmer
175W MH, VHO, Moonlight
Live rock, sand, cleaner crew
|
|
ReefBones
Guest
Joined: January 14 2006
Location: Magna, Utah
Status: Offline
Points: 2617
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 28 2006 at 8:14am |
remember mark .. I have dibs on 2 of them! ...
|
|
140 gallon Reef
65 gallon Reef
55 gallon Aggressive
www.thesalttank.com
801-865-6074
"encourage other divers and sea enthusiasts to take nothing but pictures and leave nothing but bubbles"
|
|
Deep Pitt
Guest
Joined: May 22 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 195
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 28 2006 at 9:42am |
If we are already dibbing, I'm lining up for two! 
|
|
John
SLC (S. Jordan)
200 Gal Reef
|
|
sukie
Guest
Joined: March 16 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4386
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 28 2006 at 9:46am |
I've talked to Carrie (hopes that the right spelling) fr Fish4You and
she's was telling me that they don't carry the cardinals for that
reason. . . they are wild caught and don't ship well.
She was pleased to know that mine was from tank-raised (which is hard to do apparently so, " GO MARK!!")
Here's a pic of the lil' guy I got from Mark:
I can't wait to see the next batch, Mark!!
|
|
|
|
Deep Pitt
Guest
Joined: May 22 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 195
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 28 2006 at 9:54am |
I guess I got a bit off topic there... sorry.
A similar thing happened to me. Some time ago I bought a Bengaii from a LFS; it seemed "lonely". Three days later I bought two more for a school. By the end of the week the first one had died. Over the next week, the other two died. It made no sense.
I concluded that when I do Bengaiis again I was going to get them from known source (i.e. known to be tank-raised or had been in a tank for a while).
Recently I was in the same LFS and saw some more Bengaiis in a tank and sure enough, one was lying dead on the bottom.
hmmmmm..
|
|
John
SLC (S. Jordan)
200 Gal Reef
|
|
Shane H
Presidency
Joined: March 09 2003
Location: Brigham City
Status: Offline
Points: 7921
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 28 2006 at 9:56am |
Way to go Sukie!
Mine are both captive bred. A while back we had a member that was having great success with Bangaiis. There for a while everyone had captive bred bangaiis. In fact, he stopped rearing the fry because there was no demand for them.
But, that was then - now we have Mark (and a new demand).
|
|
taylorwaldron
Guest
Joined: February 13 2006
Location: Kearns
Status: Offline
Points: 647
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: September 28 2006 at 11:23am |
|
I also have a candinal from mark, and it is doing great have had him for around 3 months. I would recommend a tank raised as well.
|
|
www.taylorwaldron.com
Chuck Norris does not sleep, he waits.
Hyvä Suomi!
|
|
