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    Posted: August 05 2015 at 3:03pm

Ok lets hear it. Do you or have you used a calcium reactor, dosing, other means to keep your parameters in check? What do you do and what do you suggest? Pros and Cons?

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I would like to hear from everyone I don't care if you've been in the hobby since yesterday or for the last 50 years. Everyone's opinions and personal experiences matter!

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I've never used a Calcium reactor but have purchased one just haven't set it up yet. I've always done manual dosing and a couple water changes a year. Once I figure out the calcium reactor I hope it will make things easier then the manual dosing.



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I started this same thread about 5 months ago and got some interesting responses. Mainly. .. .  . pick one and use it. Those who dose love it, those who use Calcium Reactors love it. . . if you are Brad Syphus you do both and love both. 

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Originally posted by Jeremyw Jeremyw wrote:

I started this same thread about 5 months ago and got some interesting responses.
 http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74394

In my opinion, automated dosing is sufficient, but is not the best. 

I can't remember, did you catch the last Saturday Excursion which Faith spearheaded so well? Jon Finch, Chemical Engineer and hobbyist and our long time "go to guy" for chemistry questions, give his entire presentation on this topic. He said that the Calcium Reactor is a "balanced additive method" because it provides Alk, Ca, Mg, Sr, Mb, K and all other trace elements/minerals in pretty close to the exact proportions used by marine animals and algae. He provided lots of scientific information to support his reasoning.

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Jeremyw summed it up well.

But since I didn't post on the original thread ill answer here.

210 display, ~400g total water volume

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about 15 years with aquariums.

It's all about what is a convenient way for you to keep the water parameters stable.  I say convenient because, if your setup is too complicated or time consuming, your most likely not going to maintain it long term.  You can find many articles promoting and demoting each method out there, so pick one that is most suitable for you.

Currently I dose BRS alk, ca, and mag via dosing pumps controlled with an apex.  I also have my top off water running into a kalk stirrer.  This set up has worked for me for years and fits my schedule.  I mix up more powder and add to my 5g dosing containers as needed and do a weekly dump of kalk into the stirrer. I also preform 1 or 2 water changes a month.

Manual dosing is defiantly something you want to move away from, as soon as your budget allows, for the amount of water you are keeping.  It will greatly help with the stability of your system.  As with anything new, you are likely to encounter issues with the learning curve, but just stick with it. Good luck and happy reefing.

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Tank size: Red Sea Max S 650 (180 Gallon)

Tank type (all natural, high tech, white sticks or algae covered, etc..): High Tech

Coral types kept (SPS, LPS, sofies, low end, high end, etc..): Mixed Reef, SPS, LPS, Softies

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I was always manually dosing my tank with decent results. But I was always a little worried of over dosing. I heard numerous stories about how a calcium reactor is much more stable and provides more nutrients than manual dosing, as well as cheaper in the long run. 

Manual Dosing 

Pros

No expensive start up cost.


Cons

Dosing on a daily/weekly basis

Difficult to dose smaller elements (Strontium, Potassium, etc...)

Costly month to month basis. 


Calcium Reactor

Pros

Provides a more stable dosing method (Continuously dosing in small amounts)

Doses small elements not often found in manual dosing.

Little to no cost after initial purchase

After dialing in little to no maintenance required

Cons

Can lower PH drastically if no fail safe (Apex)

Expensive start up cost

Bulky equipment in sump or out of sump



I must say after I dialed in my reactor i saw increased growth, color, and polyp extension. Nothing is better at building corals, then corals themselves. What I mean by this is, that the media inside the reactor is essentially dead coral, with calcium, alkalinity, magnesium, strontium, potassium, etc etc... IMO this created the most ideal setting for coral growth and development. 

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If the effluent tube is in the right place and the CO2 bubble rate is checked from time to time as would be prudent anyway, there is no need to use a controller as a fail safe. I've done it many times.

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Agreed but some calcium reactors dont come with an effluent chamber. 
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I'm talking about the effluent going straight into the return pump section of the sump (not into the Refugium) where it has a chance to mix with tank water before being sucked into the return pump and going to the display. It's completely safe when the drip rate is not too fast.

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Where is the best place to drip the effluent? I'm setting up a cal reactor this week and was planning dripping into a 40 breeder that is a remote refugium. Is the return section or skimmer section better?
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A high flow area. Skimmer section AFTER the skimmer would be better than the refugium.
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oh, I thought that the algae would help absorb some of the c02. But the sump is much easier for routing.
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The CO2 has already chemically reacted into Carbonic acid/acidity/low pH. The worst thing to do is to expose living tissue (plant and animal) to the acidic liquid dripping from the Carbonate(Calcium) Reactor. Dead

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