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Posted: November 01 2005 at 9:44am |
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DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!
I've been adding a bit o' Riverton Municipal water to my tank! Ok, so I
did have an iincrease in nuisance algae at first, but now I think my
biological crapoola is keeping up!
So, I've been using the declorinator from Seachem, Prime. I think it can
fix other things that plants like so I want to just let the clorine disapate. I
was thinking just filling a jug over night, but do I need to aerate it? I
would not care, except I have a plug shortage near the tanks!
Any smarty pants chemistry types out there?
(PS> Again> Do not try this unless your tank is really old, and has a lot
of greenage and you like nuisance algae!)
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 9:58am |
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My understanding is that the chlorine will dissapate in 24hrs is the standard rule.
sodium thiosulfate is the chemical that neutralizes chlorine, if you want a quick fix.
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 11:15am |
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Time and agitation (aeration) will dissipate chlorine. No worries. For the relatively small amount in your water, 24 hrs should be just fine. You also might not need to actively aerate it... just shake it baby.
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 11:19am |
You might want to check with your municipal water company to see if they add ammonia too (chloramine). If so, it will take a bit longer then a day to dissipate. And activated carbon will remove chlorine and other nasty organics (I'm thinking a diy in-line AC bed between tap and bucket  )
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 2:43pm |
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Does the Clorine bind with the ammonia?
What would one gallon of water straight outta the tap do to 250ish
gallons?
Or are you thinking DIY as in a filter sock o' carbon? How complicated
does it need to be?
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 3:02pm |
I have read that up to 10% was ok, not that I would want to use that much, btw home depot sells ro units pretty cheep.
what I was thinking if I had to use tap water would be to set up a 5 or 10 gallon bucket with a float valve to keep it topped off and ready to use,(that way the 24 hours is allways past when you need the water. I like the idea of the inline carbon filter on the water line.
one thing that I want to do is get a 5 gallon bucket set up between my ro and the float valve on my tank auto fill, that way when the salinity starts to drop I could just add the salt to that tank to slowly bring it back up.
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 4:16pm |
Does the Clorine bind with the ammonia?
Yes, that is how chloramine is formed. Some water systems use this because it's longer lived then just chlorine alone.
What would one gallon of water straight outta the tap do to 250ish
gallons?
From chlorine? At my house it would do nothing, I've dumped more then that untreated into my tank before. I don't know about Riverton though.
Or are you thinking DIY as in a filter sock o' carbon? How complicated
does it need to be?
No, the water needs to be in contact with the carbon for maybe a minute or two to effectively remove the chlorine. I was thinking a foot of 2-3" pvc pipe filled with AC with tap water entering at the bottom and exiting out the top. Adjust the flow so that it just a trickle...
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 4:54pm |
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Hmmmmm....
OK, so just one more ?
If I fill a jug o' tapwater, leave it 'till the next night, will the clorine have
left the jug? Or must it be aerated?
If I just shake it once when I fill it and once when i dump it in?
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 5:05pm |
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Hmmm.
What is the fluctuation of chemicals from my tap? Does it change from
month to month/day to day? Is it higher when the water company "changes
their filter"? Or is it always the same?
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 5:07pm |
If I fill a jug o' tapwater, leave it 'till the next night, will the clorine have left the jug? Or must it be aerated?
Aerated is better, but just letting is sit might be ok, I don't really know, I've never "tested" this sort of thing.
You can buy (or borrow from someone that has a spa or pool) a chlorine test kit. It will tell you everything you need to know.
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 5:09pm |
What is the fluctuation of chemicals from my tap? Does it change from month to month/day to day? Is it higher when the water company "changes their filter"? Or is it always the same?
It likely changes from season to season. That is why I have and use a RO/DI unit  .
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 6:21pm |
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OK, so
DON"T TRY THIS AT HOME!
Thanks, guys!
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 7:13pm |
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 7:52pm |
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We've been using RO/DI up to this point.
OK, so this is crazy talk, but I actually am OK with a bit o' TDS. I have a
few vascular plants I'm trying to encourage to grow...
So, I figure instead of adding fertizer, I'll just add Riverton Crap water!
We have lots o' what plants like!
(I don't drink it, though!)
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 10:56pm |
probably not a bad idea, theres a few minerals there that would be
good, so use some carbon on the water and the rest is probably safe
enough, I mean most of us drink it
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 11:12pm |
 I mean most of us drink it |
But do you breath it?
I never started seeing real stability in my tanks until I went
exclusively RO. You just have no idea what is in that water and how
much you can reliable remove at any given time. RO is too cheap
(25cents/gallon at fish4u, 50 for pre-salted) to chance it IMO.
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 8:03am |
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Well, this is a different type of reef tank than most of us are used to. It is
a planted tank. I have a few vascular plants and a lot of macros that suck
up No3 like crazy! So, I've been supplementing it for a bit. But, now the
tank is to the point of supplementing PO4, and that is too crazy! So, I
thought I would try adding some NO3,PO4 and some silicates via
tapwater!
You can get a printout from your city that is pretty precise about what is
in your water. I posted what is in ours on RC, and one guy asked me if I
lived in America!
But, the printout leaves out the occasional racoon that climbs into the
well.....
I am a bit leary of the heavy metals, but I think some plants will filter
them too. I hope! I also hope that water changes will prevent them from
causing trouble!
This is just something I'm trying. I have used RO/DI for years. I'll let you
know how it works!
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