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Topic: Coral Growth Posted: July 11 2013 at 1:18pm |
Hey everyone,
I've only got a few corals in my tank-- my first reef tank-- and I was wondering what people here have found to be the most successful methods in getting them to grow. I'm really just looking for a general explanation of what things you've dosed or what other adjustments you've made to help your coral flourish. Thanks!
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 1:28pm |
3 things really stand out Water and Light and Flow. Keep your water as clean as needed for the type of coral that you have in the tank. Some corals like there water to have a little bit in the water but others like SPS like very clean water. Next would be your lighting, Set up your lighting so that it will meet the demands of the coral that you are wanting to grow. Yes you can have too much light just as you can have too little. Water Flow corals like more flow than you would think. I would start with 10x water flow but I have seen people that have really happy corals at 50x water flow, just depends on the type of coral.
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 3:07pm |
I guess I should be more specific in what I'm wondering. I've been able to find info on these basics from a lot of sources, but I've also heard people talk about adding vitamins or other nutrients to their water-- things like Kalkwasser, Reef Builder-- to promote beyond just lighting and water changes.
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 3:11pm |
How are your water parameters? Unless regular water changes aren't keeping up with demand, there is no need to dose.
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 3:17pm |
80cent wrote:
I guess I should be more specific in what I'm wondering. I've been able to find info on these basics from a lot of sources, but I've also heard people talk about adding vitamins or other nutrients to their water-- things like Kalkwasser, Reef Builder-- to promote beyond just lighting and water changes. |
So if you are looking at your water you should try to keep your PH around 8.2 to 8.3 , Cal from 400 to 460, ALK from 8 to 12 and your mag around 1300 to 1400. There are other things that you can dose if your water changes are not keeping up. Depending on how your water changes have kept up.
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 3:30pm |
So if I understand correctly, those are used to make sure that PH, Cal, Alk stay in the proper range, not just added like a steroid to boost performance. Is that about it?
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 3:46pm |
You are correct. There are other things that people will add to there tanks to help boost coral growth but it all starts with keeping your water stable. When you have your water worked out then flow and lighting are the biggest things to help your corals from there.
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 4:02pm |
aceofspadeskb wrote:
How are your water parameters? Unless regular water changes aren't keeping up with demand, there is no need to dose. | Thats not at all true. It all depends on the individual tank, a tank with a lot of hard corals in it there is no way it can stay healthy without dosing.
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 4:07pm |
I think we're saying the same thing. My point was that until your tank reaches the point that regular water changes don't keep your parameters up you don't need to dose. Once it can't keep up(i.e. a tank with a lot of hard corals), then you need to dose. Right?
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 4:12pm |
80cent wrote:
Hey everyone,
I've only got a few corals in my tank-- my first reef tank-- |
Laird is very correct. So as you add to your tanks load and with your testing you will start to see your levels drop, or your corals will start to look unhappy. When you are seeing that your corals are starting to look less happy before there next normal water change then you should start looking at ways to dose what they are using the most.
Keep in mind that dosing will not take the place of your water changes it just helps to keep what is getting used the most at levels your corals are going to be happy with.
Like for me I have been dosing ALK and Cal but my water changes have been keeping my Mag at normal levels. Also try not to ever dose anything that you can not test the levels for, because every tank is different what worked for me might not work for you and could even kill your tank.
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 5:27pm |
aceofspadeskb wrote:
I think we're saying the same thing. My point was that until your tank reaches the point that regular water changes don't keep your parameters up you don't need to dose. Once it can't keep up(i.e. a tank with a lot of hard corals), then you need to dose. Right? | My fault, I misread your first post. Thats my bad.
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 7:53pm |
My experience has shown that you need to keep you levels up. Additives like Fuel (provides trace elements and amino acids) tend to give corals some of the nutrients they would normally have in the wild, but don't get very often in our tanks. You should think about getting things like phyto and plankton as the corals can trap those in the polyps and use them for food and this is a natural source of the amino acids that are provided by Fuel.
Keep in mind, the more corals you have, the faster they will suck up the nutrients and compounds in the water. Water changes are good to do despite any kind of dosing. They help to remove unwanted contaminates that can build up in the tank. Depending on your load though, you will not have enough time between water changes to keep up with demand if you're not dosing.
My tank uses over two teaspoons of alk per day just to keep my level at 8dKh. I use calcium bicarbonate + RO water for dosing. If I did just 10% water changes a week, the alk level would drop down to 5. I've seen this level as the minimum level that corals can continue to survive, but do not grow.
Things like vodka dosing are used to give corals the added compounds in a simple (yet if you do it wrong, bad) way to help them grow. Kalkwasser is used to maintain calcium and indirectly, maintain alkalinity. If used improperly though, it can nuke your tank very quickly. You'll need to think about dosing magnesium also. This can be done in a few ways. Your coral needs this to help build its skeleton and to make it less brittle. Fish use both calcium and mag for neural and skeletal growth and maintenance (you do too). You can use magnesium sulfate or mag chloride from your LFS or a cheaper, less potent and pure version as obtained through Epsom salt.
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 7:53pm |
I am adding alk small portions every other day and calcium a few times per week. I tested the water for several months seeing the demand and I calculated how much to add every few days and test the levels every week or 2.
I also add at least every other day phyto plankton and coral foods. At first I didn't and I almost lost one coral. Very important to add phyto plankton.
I get pretty good growth out of my tank.
My setup includes a protein skimmer, carbon reactor, return pump, and a power head. All of that to keep the water clean and move the water.
If you are wanting to add something more I have heard of people dosing vodka or brown sugar.
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Posted: July 12 2013 at 7:57am |
80cent wrote:
Hey everyone,
I've only got a few corals in my tank-- my first reef tank-- and I was wondering what people here have found to be the most successful methods in getting them to grow. I'm really just looking for a general explanation of what things you've dosed or what other adjustments you've made to help your coral flourish. Thanks! ...adding vitamins or other nutrients to their water-- things like
Kalkwasser, Reef Builder-- to promote beyond just lighting and water
changes.
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Good advice above. Here's my 2 cents. The best thing I ever did was place my tanks in the sun. That caused everything to jump ahead faster than anything I had ever done. Adding Phytoplankton is the next on my list. Keeping Alk, Ca, Mg and Iodine at proper levels was, of course, the basis for that growth. I consider those first three components as the mainstay of coral, invert and coralline algae food. They eat it up. You mentioned Kalkwasser and Reefbuilder. These are just a few of the available things which add Alk and Ca, the two-part additives you have probably heard about. There are many 2 part products out there and some can be very expensive, but they all have 2 things in common, Bicarbonate of soda(Baking Soda) and Calcium Chloride(Ice Melt). (Note: I would stay away from Kalkwasser at this point.) Testing should always come first. We should never add chemicals to the tank without finding out what it needs. I have seen so many hobbyists nuke their tank with unnecessary chemical additives. Most tanks less than 6 months old can get by with 10% monthly water changes. They don't need supplemental Alk and Ca for the first 6 months because there aren't enough organisms eating it up. The need for Mg and I comes later as the tank fills with coral, coralline algae and other inverts. Aloha, Mark  808-345-1049
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Posted: July 12 2013 at 10:07am |
Mark has a point with the age of the tank, in the first six months most tanks do not have the "age" to support the higher end sps corals. As far as placing a tank in the sunlight, I would not, if you are trying to grow high end sps. If you are trying to grow leathers or soft corals or dont mind a green hue to your water, this would be acceptable, but keep in mind you will get more algae in the display.
Dosing the essentials of Cal/Alk/Mg is your best bet for growing stony corals. Look for chemical grade products and depending on your corals needs, buying larger quantities will save money. We have one system that uses more than 1 gallon of recipe 2 per week, and another that uses more than 2 gallons. (Ie more than 4 1/2 cups of powder) at these levels dosing needs to be done throughout the day to minimize spikes in the system.
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Posted: July 12 2013 at 11:14am |
I have my 75 gallon tank setup in my basement-- it isn't in the sun, and I couldn't move it there if I wanted to. My preference for coral is actually LPS-- I love the movement and bright colors that many LPS corals offer, but that doesn't mean I don't want excellent water quality.
But here's what I've gathered from the community of comments:
1) Make sure mywater is clean
2) Make sure levels are good for Alk, Ca and Mg with water tests, and keep those levels where they should be
3) After a few more months and a few more corals, it could help to use phyto and coral foods to encourage healthy growth.
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Posted: July 12 2013 at 2:09pm |
I wouldn't wait for phytoplankton. That is food to them, without food they won't thrive and could die. I had a rough go and almost lost one at first. When I added phytoplankton and oyster feast it started to turn around. Someone please tell me if I am wrong and if that was a coincidence.
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Posted: July 12 2013 at 2:56pm |
I've never added phyto or anything like that and have always had a great growing reef...
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Posted: July 12 2013 at 6:20pm |
Softplan wrote:
Someone please tell me if I am wrong and if that was a coincidence. |
You are right and you did a good thing. It was both - the phyto and kind of a coincidence. As a tank matures the
population of microfauna increases by spawning. Some of that spawn
provides food for the coral. Your addition of phyto was food for the
microfauna. Well fed microfauna created larger spawns which in turn
provided more food for the coral. One of the common nighttime spawn in our tanks is Bristleworms. Surprised? In the ocean
at night there are tremendous amounts of zooplankton in the water. One night at my coral farm I
was talking fish with a customer/visitor after the tank lights went out. I noticed the
Chromis catching lots of invisible food that had begun to float through
the water. The room lights had kept the fish up, giving them the
opportunity to see and eat the zooplankton that had come up into the water
column when the tank lights went out. A tank can do just fine with artificial light, but can really blossom if it receives some natural sunlight. Sunlight is just as good for stony coral as it is for soft coral.
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