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    Posted: June 23 2013 at 11:19am
I bought a couple of different corals yesterday and they aren't looking so hot. Can anyone lend some advice? The one that I'm most worried about is the hammerhead coral. The mouth is clearly visible and I'm pretty sure that's not good.
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Pics? Did you acclimate them properly? What are your parameters? The mouth of a hammer coral is always visible on mine. Its usually not open unless its being fed.
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If all is good with water and acclimation then I'd just leave it alone. The wrong flow might make it unhappy.
I had 2 decent size candycane coral frags look as though I'd be throwing out soon. But I left alone and spot feed. Now they are looking awesome. Ensure it has the flow and lighting it requires and don't mess with it to much. It just might be a little shocked.

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Sorry I didn't add pics earlier, I submitted my first post from my phone. I acclimated them for 1 1/2 hours, adding water every 20 minutes. I just changed the water today, so everything but my ph is fine. (ph is at 7.8) The hammerhead is placed on the sand bed, opposite of my powerhead. The xenia is on a rock in the middle of the tank and fairly close to the powerhead.

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Make sure the corals are not getting blasted by the power head. Looks like too much flow possibly. Redirect the power head and see if it helps. Good luck
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My xenia seem to be fine with flow but they do look like that when I frag them or move them. 

On another note, what's the big green bubble below the xenia?
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Originally posted by JohnnyHeavens JohnnyHeavens wrote:

what's the big green bubble below the xenia?


Bubble algae
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I think bubble algae and that is not good.
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Ut looks like some skeleton on the hammer is showing, that's not good. Be sure the flow isn't direct on it. It seems your acclimation was sufficient. It could just be stressed. It may do fine though, I have seen them do that and then come back. You xenia takes a few days to get used to any flow changes buy I've seen it be do fine in almost any flow. It pulses more with less flow.

bubble algae isn't horrible and it won't kill your coral, its just a nuisance.
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I have the hammer placed the furthest from the powerhead and the xenia is probably the closest, but I have the powerhead pointed away from the coral. How can I get rid of the algae without harming the coral? I didn't even notice it until I added it to my tank, because the coral covers it all when fully extended.
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A ph of 7.8 is on the extreme low end and a lower reading  corals will show signs of stress. If you take a coral from a system at 8.3-8.4 and drop it into a system at 7.8 it may very well show signs of stress. If you tested the water in the morning about the time the lights come on 7.8 is OK, but if the water was tested after the lights had been running for several hours your PH probably drops to 7.6- 7.7 at night which is way too low. A low PH usually means that the buffering capacity is low and the alkalinity needs to be raised.   
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Originally posted by phys phys wrote:


bubble algae isn't horrible and it won't kill your coral, its just a nuisance.
IMO bubble algae IS horrible, it can kill coral (i've seen it crowd out frags), and is an extreme nuisance.
Just take the frag out, pick the bubble algae off, rinse with a little saltwater from the tank, and put it back in.  


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It would be better to watch your alkalinity. I never test ph, as was mentioned, it fluctuated throughput the day so its not really telling you much unless its extremely low or high. What are your alk, calcium, nitrates, etc?

sabey- you must have had a really bad case. I've never had any take over coral.

just pluck off the algae and as long as your tank is doing well, it won't show up. But if its not kept too well, it may get worse.
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I found this video from Mr. Saltwater tank helpful in getting rid of bubble algae.
http://www.mrsaltwatertank.com/4-ways-to-remove-bubble-algae-from-your-tank/

Also, what kind of lights do you have and what kind did the corals come from? I've seen lighting changes stress out corals.
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Calcium- 380ppm
Alkalinity- 8 dKH
It seems like my ph is always low after I do a water change, so I wasn't too concerned with that. I have been talking to Mark however, and he seems to agree that it might be the change from led to flourescent lighting.
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Originally posted by lovecraftinbrooklyn lovecraftinbrooklyn wrote:

I acclimated them for 1 1/2 hours, adding water every 20 minutes. I just changed the water today, so everything but my ph is fine. (ph is at 7.8) The hammerhead is placed on the sand bed, opposite of my powerhead.

The Xenia looks very normal and it is somewhat normal for Euphyllia to shrink up and expose skeleton like that for a few hours, but I would like to make some observations regarding the following:

1) Shaun/Sabeypets said it. A pH reading of 7.8 during the day tells us that either the Alk is below 8 or there is not enough gas exchange in this tank. Neither of those conditions is good. Please check and tell us the Alk and Ca levels and raise the hood an inch or two so the tank can get some air(gas exchange). Also, place the powerhead down near the sand, pointing up to the water surface. This will help pH stay above 8.0.

2) The acclimation was too long. For coral coming from another hobbyists tank where the water is good, 5-10 minutes with a gradual change of half the water is more than enough, with one caveat. If the new coral got really hot in transport, leave it in an open container for 15-20 minutes to cool down before the acclimation.
Also, with LPS, if it has hydrated/expanded during transport, before removing from the water, hold it upside down, shake it and touch it lightly to get it to shrink/deflate before pulling it, still upside down from the water. The reason for this is that the skeleton is very sharp and can cut/damage the coral flesh when it is expanded and full of water. A good procedure, if you can do it, is to place the acclimation container in the tank to move the coral out so that it never has to be removed from the water and risk cutting damage.)

3) The skeleton of Euphyllia (hammer, frogspawn, torch, candy cane, etc.) down to about 1-2" below each head should be left exposed because when it expands, a thin covering of coral flesh wants to stretch down over that stalk.

4) As Hogie said, if the lighting in your tank is different from where it came from, particularly if the light is more intense in the new tank or coral is to be placed closer to the light source in the new tank(sometimes hard to tell, I knowSmile), a light acclimation procedure should be followed. There are three simple ways to do this. First, which you did Clap, place the coral low in the new tank and then:
- Raise the lights by 6-12" for 3 days, then lower halfway for another 3 days; or
- Reduce the photoperiod by 1/3-1/2 for 3 days, then increase it halfway to original for 3 more days.

5) I would not change water shortly after introducing a new coral. Some hobbyists may think I am being hard on lovecraftinbrooklyn. Perhaps, but I ask, should I let a hobbyist continue doing things that increase the risk of failure? As evidenced by posting here, there is a clear interest in doing things as good as possible? I feel it is important to share my success as something that may be found useful to make a better reef aquarium.  First there was the disturbance of being moved from one tank to another, then there was a second disturbance of a 20% water change.
Yes, large water changes can be a shock to the system. There are many reasons why 10% monthly water changes are ideal.
If a tank is having emergency high pollution issues, a large water change might be the best temporary solution. Adding a good amount of Macroalgae and lighting it 24 hours a day can be an even better temporary solution. Most importantly the root cause of the pollution must be determined and resolved.

Sorry, I had so many critical things to say, but I sense that lovecraftinbrooklyn is interested in and may appreciate the comments.

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A full tank shot would be helpful. The close ups are great to see the stress your coral are experiencing but don't tell us much about the tank.

From the pics it doesn't look like a flow related issue. I don't like the look of the hammer being retracted to the point that the skeleton is visable. It looks like tissue still covers it but once it recedes to the point that there is no tissue on the outside of the rim of the skeleton I've rarely had hammers recover.

Alk, Calcium and PH are all on the low side. Try slowly bringing the alk up to the 9-11 range. Don't do it too fast as that could add stress to the corals. If the PH doesn't come up with the Alk you could try adding a little kalkwasser to the top off water. Make sure it's very dilute or drip it in as kalk can raise PH quickly.

The last thing I see in the pic is the massive amount of reef epoxy putty used to mount the frags. They could be stressed from the curing of the epoxy. While epoxy is usually safe a large amount of epoxy in a low flow area could irritate the coral until it cures completely.

Good luck, I hope they recover.

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Thanks Mark, the Alk and Cal levels are actually in my previous post. I do not have a lid on my tank and the powerhead is already placed as low as I can get it. I was thinking that the problem might be with my test strips rather than the ph itself. It seems that it usually reads at 7.8. It could also be that I am colorblind, but my boyfriend has also checked the test strips and says that they read 7.8.
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Bflesser, we just moved into a new place and haven't set up the internet yet, I have a full tank picture, but my phone won't let me load it to the forum. I'll add one as soon as I can. The epoxy was put there by the original owner. I was concerned about the amount, but I've never heard of problems coming from the puddy, so I figured that it was probably something else.
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Originally posted by lovecraftinbrooklyn lovecraftinbrooklyn wrote:

Bflesser, we just moved into a new place and haven't set up the internet yet, I have a full tank picture, but my phone won't let me load it to the forum. I'll add one as soon as I can. The epoxy was put there by the original owner. I was concerned about the amount, but I've never heard of problems coming from the puddy, so I figured that it was probably something else.


How long has the tank been set up and if it was running before you moved how long since the move? I just want to rule out issues that could be related to a new tank or one that has recently been moved.
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